MIKE HOLMGREN AND THE GREEN BAY PACKERS HOME FIELD MAGIC

[sheepshead]

3. Teams that can win the battles in the trenches (BEEN A WHILE)


Seems this this is what most agree on

Plenty of Holmgren Detractors in here; I wonder how some viewed him when he was leading the Packers

Best coach since Vince in GB and I doubt there are many arguments otherwise. IMO part of this is sour grapes. Who has been better ?

As Ron Wolf was also the best GM I've witnessed

TT needs to get us guys on this roster that win the battles in the trenches

Perhaps that will involve looking further into FA on the OL side

Or perhaps these developmental guys will turn into studs

I loved Holmgren! Was sorry to see him go; a lot of the rescent towards Holmgren never really reached me. Seems a local thing that I haven't had insight to (till last few years). I'm still not sure what it's all about!?

My beef was simple, I call him overrated. People were putting in the same breath as Lombardi, Landry, Halas etc. As we see now, no way. Second, the way he and he alone is responsible for the SB loss to Denver. He didnt have the team prepared and was out coached big time. The last thing is the classless way he left GB. He had Paul Allens dollars signs in his eyes and cherry picked from the packer roster and front office. I like him less as a person actually I guess.

[mraynrand]

SB loss to Denver. He didnt have the team prepared and was out coached big time. The last thing is the classless way he left GB. He had Paul Allens dollars signs in his eyes and cherry picked from the packer roster and front office. I like him less as a person actually I guess.

Prove that the team wasn't prepared for SB XXXII. Don't give me some crap about guessing from the result of the game. Demonstrate that they were not, in fact prepared in a way that wasn't typical of a Holmgren led team.

Holmgren cherry picked the GB roster? Please list all the players cherry picked. (you do know that 'cherry picked' means to most people that he took the best)

This ought to be good.

[pbmax]

3. Teams that can win the battles in the trenches (BEEN A WHILE)


Seems this this is what most agree on

Plenty of Holmgren Detractors in here; I wonder how some viewed him when he was leading the Packers

Best coach since Vince in GB and I doubt there are many arguments otherwise. IMO part of this is sour grapes. Who has been better ?

As Ron Wolf was also the best GM I've witnessed

TT needs to get us guys on this roster that win the battles in the trenches

Perhaps that will involve looking further into FA on the OL side

Or perhaps these developmental guys will turn into studs

There can be no argument that he wasn't the best coach since Lombardi, but that doesn't mean he's thisclose to perfect. Its not like Joe Gibbs was here between Lombardi and Holmgren.

But it wasn't Holmgren's greatness or his modest shortcomings that gave them the aura of invincibility at home. It was a great team. What I can believe is that Holmgren attracted a better staff right off the bat and that helped during his entire tenure make Packer players better.

This is an odd year to draw conclusions. A team in transition that can depend on one facet of the game can still be pretty good. While Favre developed, the defense kept the team in most games early in Holmgren's tenure. While M3's new offense took time to find a running game, Sander's second year defense held down the fort.

Its Capers first year and in his first game, the Bears did not know what was coming. His second game the Bengals did. The TV guys illustrated one call where the linebacker was to cross the face of the tackle while a blitzer came free from the outside. They showed Palmer calling an audible run into the hole between the two. This year is going to be hit or miss for the most part. Some teams will not have film, others may not know the best adjustments. Others will know the defense inside and out. Its going to be better next year.

But on offense, some of the same things are going wrong now that were wrong in year 2. There is precedent for it. Wolf struggled even in FA to find a pair of guards he liked initially. He and Holmgren started off with a retread from the 49ers and some other lesser lights. Eventually he drafts Aaron Taylor, though loses him for a year due to injury. And then he strikes gold late with Timmerman. Eventually Rivera, Flanagan, Wahle and even Joe Andruzzi.

But McCarthy isn't rebuilding from the 70s, 80s or from Lindy Infante. He can't wait for Year 5 to find Rivera. The time frame is shorter. Should be shorter. Holmgren made up for the gaps in the roster in 93, 94 and 95. Time for Campen and Philbin to do the same. Clifton injury or no.

[KYPack]

The Bengals play the Steelers twice a year and those 3-4 are very similar. Actual game time is a lot more effective than tape. Palmer did make many of the proper reads due to that experience.