Stirring the Pot...or Good Reporting?

[KYPack]

You don't agree that it has to do with limited snaps and they have to play the guy they paid? Bishop was everywhere on the field in PS.

I think the one unequivocal lesson of this young season is that PreSeason means nothing. So, no, Bishop making plays against 2s most of camp is not a lock for playing time. And remember, he didn't start practicing at Hawk's position until just before Lansana was released. So his time at Buck has been limited. There is plenty of time for him to get acclimated.

For Chillar, he is clearly ahead of Barnett in most respects and his snaps prove it. Forget who gets introduced and plays the first snap of the game.

In general (and without anything to go on other than gut feeling) I think T2 has the biggest hand in roster construction like Wolf did. But I'd be surprised if he is calling the shots on starting lineups.

I wondered why in the hell he got all those snaps at mack myself.

I guess the rationale was to get him covering more so he could get some kind of feel for the job. But this is a new D for him. Wouldn't they have been better off letting Bishop get reps at his more natural position?

I dunno, it seemed like a waste of live reps to me.

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http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/61382847.html

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Chillar is one of the few players excelling in pre season that is having a good regular season. Maybe Bishop is also capable. Sure deserves a chance.

tyrell sutton deserves a chance as well

amen

Sad when the stoners don't get the sarcasm.

[rbaloha1]

Chillar is one of the few players excelling in pre season that is having a good regular season. Maybe Bishop is also capable. Sure deserves a chance.

tyrell sutton deserves a chance as well

amen

Sad when the stoners don't get the sarcasm.

truly it is...just like the crack smokers.

[Waldo]

I give Bedard credit though, he called Favre's shoulder injuries. Of course, he did manage to whiff on the prognosis at first.

He did?

I thought that his initial prognosis was a torn rotator cuff. Before the bicep stuff even came out. It's been said that the cuff likely predates the bicep tendon, by potentially a long time.

Which led me full circle to how he would know that. He was pretty convinced early, well before it come out in any other source, that Brett had an injured shoulder. Did he just guess lucky, not only guessing that he had an injury, but also what it was? Not the initial prognosis that was reported, that was actually a problem, but in fact the other thing that was found, that potentially went back to his Packer days. Did the Packers know about it?

To look at potential nerve damage an MRI is often performed. It is entirely possible that the Packers spotted it by doing an MRI on his throwing arm/shoulder looking at the reasons his hand was numb after the Dallas game.

Or in the "full body scan". Anther thing the Packers do. I believe that they have an MRI done as the absolute first thing of the season, and the absolute last thing of the season.

Just looking at it, they had chances, if Brett's rotator cuff tear predates his retirement, it is entirely possible that the Packers knew about it. And given Bedards very early proclamation of a "potential shoulder injury, possibly a torn rotator cuff" at the end of the season, he was saying it and nobody else was, it almost seems like he's verifying that the Packers knew about it and somehow he caught wind.

After all, that would be very hard to keep quiet forever. More than just the Doc would know; the coach, GM, President, Board. Somebody not under a Doctor-Patient confidentiality thing would eventually leak it, even if only off the record, after all, the whole Favre "fiasco" can be seen in an entirely new light if in fact the team knew that he had a torn rotator cuff. It makes the team's position through the whole thing far more understandable.

And the hiring of Ari as an adviser that much more important.

[pbmax]

You don't agree that it has to do with limited snaps and they have to play the guy they paid? Bishop was everywhere on the field in PS.

I think the one unequivocal lesson of this young season is that PreSeason means nothing. So, no, Bishop making plays against 2s most of camp is not a lock for playing time. And remember, he didn't start practicing at Hawk's position until just before Lansana was released. So his time at Buck has been limited. There is plenty of time for him to get acclimated.

For Chillar, he is clearly ahead of Barnett in most respects and his snaps prove it. Forget who gets introduced and plays the first snap of the game.

In general (and without anything to go on other than gut feeling) I think T2 has the biggest hand in roster construction like Wolf did. But I'd be surprised if he is calling the shots on starting lineups.

I wondered why in the hell he got all those snaps at mack myself.

I guess the rationale was to get him covering more so he could get some kind of feel for the job. But this is a new D for him. Wouldn't they have been better off letting Bishop get reps at his more natural position?

I dunno, it seemed like a waste of live reps to me.

You may have something there, but my assumption when Waldo pointed this out during camp (the Press Gazette was much clearer on LB roles than Bedard) was that it related to numbers.

Barnett couldn't practice. They are down to one full-time Mack (Chillar). Lansana isn't a cover guy, he is a banger, so he has to stay at Buck. So if Hawk is poised to start at Buck, that leaves Bishop at Mack until Barnett is back and Lanasana is on his way out.

I wonder if perhaps Bishop was too quick to attack the LOS as Mack, that is, gave too little time to his reads for misdirection or play action? Maybe that was the initial cause of the coaches reluctance? He looks great when he knows what play is headed his way? Would explain the fawning coverage and the now obvious far more measured response of the coaches.

[pbmax]

I give Bedard credit though, he called Favre's shoulder injuries. Of course, he did manage to whiff on the prognosis at first.

He did?

I thought that his initial prognosis was a torn rotator cuff. Before the bicep stuff even came out. It's been said that the cuff likely predates the bicep tendon, by potentially a long time.

I was referring to a line of Bedard's thinking in the middle of the Viking speculation during the X-Ray FedEx, the incognito trip to Alabama for the surgery and the expectation of recovery time after the surgery was announced. Bedard initially was skeptical that Favre's physical problems could be wrapped up neatly by the bicep procedure. He kept mentioning being able to push a finger deep into Favre's shoulder, pointing out (correctly) that there was more than just a bicep tendon that needed work.

He was wrong when he concluded that the simple procedure and the short recovery time would not be enough to bring him back to play or explain the delay. His hook was that if the problem was that simple, there would be no reason to wait. He suspected that Favre did not want to commit to surgery for fear that the rotator cuff would need work as well.

There is no fault here for Bedard. No one knows why Favre waited (contract negotiations, avoiding camp, fear of surgery, painkiller issue?). But so far the rotator cuff hasn't come back to haunt him.

[Fritz]

I was in a waiting room at a hospital once and fell to talking with the woman next to me. She said her daughter was having surgery, so I asked what for. She said, "They want to rotate her cuff."

[MichiganPackerFan]

I was in a waiting room at a hospital once and fell to talking with the woman next to me. She said her daughter was having surgery, so I asked what for. She said, "They want to rotate her cuff."

Fritz that was damn painful. I guess you have to try in order to succeed, but that was painful.

[Fritz]

I bet her daughter's cuff was painful when they rotated her cuff!

[Waldo]

I give Bedard credit though, he called Favre's shoulder injuries. Of course, he did manage to whiff on the prognosis at first.

He did?

I thought that his initial prognosis was a torn rotator cuff. Before the bicep stuff even came out. It's been said that the cuff likely predates the bicep tendon, by potentially a long time.

I was referring to a line of Bedard's thinking in the middle of the Viking speculation during the X-Ray FedEx, the incognito trip to Alabama for the surgery and the expectation of recovery time after the surgery was announced. Bedard initially was skeptical that Favre's physical problems could be wrapped up neatly by the bicep procedure. He kept mentioning being able to push a finger deep into Favre's shoulder, pointing out (correctly) that there was more than just a bicep tendon that needed work.

He was wrong when he concluded that the simple procedure and the short recovery time would not be enough to bring him back to play or explain the delay. His hook was that if the problem was that simple, there would be no reason to wait. He suspected that Favre did not want to commit to surgery for fear that the rotator cuff would need work as well.

There is no fault here for Bedard. No one knows why Favre waited (contract negotiations, avoiding camp, fear of surgery, painkiller issue?). But so far the rotator cuff hasn't come back to haunt him.

I remember Bedards first hint of a shoulder injury for Brett back in January-February, right as the draft season was starting to heat up.