The Game

[Deputy Nutz]

Well I want Favre and his Vikings to defeat the Packers. I want him to not only shove it up TT's ass, and McCarthy's ass.

I think you may be more vindictive than Favre.

Probably. I have my reasons. I have figured out that I am less upset at Thompson and McCarthy, my real distain is for all of the Packer fans that just can't get over their own little butt-hurt of Favre playing for the Vikings, or wanting to play when he retired. I love how some of you still hold on to the "HE RETIRED!!!" banter. Sure he retired, but realized he wanted to play again. Packer brass didn't want/need him in Green Bay anymore, so they sat on him, fucked with his ability to play the game of football and then traded him to the Jets, where he made the best out of a so-so situation.

I don't think a player makes a team, but I don't have sit back and believe that I have to like a GM regardless of his ability or his past decisions because I root for the team that he manages. Everyone took up sides in this battle, I chose to side with Favre, that didn't mean that I hated the Packers. I hated what Ted Thompson did to Brett Favre, I disliked McCarthy for the way he handled Favre. That didn't mean I held every other part of the Packer organization accountable. I have been one of Aaron Rodgers biggest supporters on this board. I still like watching Packer games, but now I probably watch the games similar to how beat reporters do, I watch less as a fan and more from a analytical standpoint. I do my best to call it like I see it rather than showing favortism to the Packers organization.

How is that any different than you being annoyingly butt-hurt over what our GM did to Brett Favre?

I don't go around calling Ted Thompson by a different name just to spite him. Again you comment on one portion of what I wrote. For a change of pace, read everything I wrote, turn off your computer, take a 20 minute nap, and then go fuck yourself.

[PlantPage55]

Well I want Favre and his Vikings to defeat the Packers. I want him to not only shove it up TT's ass, and McCarthy's ass.

I think you may be more vindictive than Favre.

Probably. I have my reasons. I have figured out that I am less upset at Thompson and McCarthy, my real distain is for all of the Packer fans that just can't get over their own little butt-hurt of Favre playing for the Vikings, or wanting to play when he retired. I love how some of you still hold on to the "HE RETIRED!!!" banter. Sure he retired, but realized he wanted to play again. Packer brass didn't want/need him in Green Bay anymore, so they sat on him, fucked with his ability to play the game of football and then traded him to the Jets, where he made the best out of a so-so situation.

I don't think a player makes a team, but I don't have sit back and believe that I have to like a GM regardless of his ability or his past decisions because I root for the team that he manages. Everyone took up sides in this battle, I chose to side with Favre, that didn't mean that I hated the Packers. I hated what Ted Thompson did to Brett Favre, I disliked McCarthy for the way he handled Favre. That didn't mean I held every other part of the Packer organization accountable. I have been one of Aaron Rodgers biggest supporters on this board. I still like watching Packer games, but now I probably watch the games similar to how beat reporters do, I watch less as a fan and more from a analytical standpoint. I do my best to call it like I see it rather than showing favortism to the Packers organization.

How is that any different than you being annoyingly butt-hurt over what our GM did to Brett Favre?

I don't go around calling Ted Thompson by a different name just to spite him. Again you comment on one portion of what I wrote. For a change of pace, read everything I wrote, turn off your computer, take a 20 minute nap, and then go fuck yourself.

Well, thanks for being so civil and gentlemanly about it, but the one part I commented on was the only part that I CAN'T wrap my head around and understand where you are coming from, thank you very much.

[Deputy Nutz]

Well I want Favre and his Vikings to defeat the Packers. I want him to not only shove it up TT's ass, and McCarthy's ass.

I think you may be more vindictive than Favre.

Probably. I have my reasons. I have figured out that I am less upset at Thompson and McCarthy, my real distain is for all of the Packer fans that just can't get over their own little butt-hurt of Favre playing for the Vikings, or wanting to play when he retired. I love how some of you still hold on to the "HE RETIRED!!!" banter. Sure he retired, but realized he wanted to play again. Packer brass didn't want/need him in Green Bay anymore, so they sat on him, fucked with his ability to play the game of football and then traded him to the Jets, where he made the best out of a so-so situation.

I don't think a player makes a team, but I don't have sit back and believe that I have to like a GM regardless of his ability or his past decisions because I root for the team that he manages. Everyone took up sides in this battle, I chose to side with Favre, that didn't mean that I hated the Packers. I hated what Ted Thompson did to Brett Favre, I disliked McCarthy for the way he handled Favre. That didn't mean I held every other part of the Packer organization accountable. I have been one of Aaron Rodgers biggest supporters on this board. I still like watching Packer games, but now I probably watch the games similar to how beat reporters do, I watch less as a fan and more from a analytical standpoint. I do my best to call it like I see it rather than showing favortism to the Packers organization.

How is that any different than you being annoyingly butt-hurt over what our GM did to Brett Favre?

I don't go around calling Ted Thompson by a different name just to spite him. Again you comment on one portion of what I wrote. For a change of pace, read everything I wrote, turn off your computer, take a 20 minute nap, and then go fuck yourself.

Well, thanks for being so civil and gentlemanly about it, but the one part I commented on was the only part that I CAN'T wrap my head around and understand where you are coming from, thank you very much.

Don't take it so personal. I sincerely hope I answered your question.

[Deputy Nutz]

Some of you guys are jokes (Nutz... the other jokes we've known about for much longer).

Like the guy at the Packers sports bar yesterday facing the opposite way of everyone else and clapping every time Favre did something good. Then he'd face the crowd and try to explain why something Brett did was so great and everyone pretty much just rolled their eyes. No one cares. In fact, the whole place was rooting for the 49ers, because, you know, they're playing our division opponent.

It's OK to be a Brett Favre fan... just be one and leave real Packer fans alone. All that says is you weren't much of a fan before Favre because anyone who's been down the whole road with this team knows it's much bigger than one individual player.

Even if Brett comes out and throws 500 yards and 5 touchdowns and beats the shit out of the Packers on Monday... it's a loss to the Vikings. I get sick to my stomach when that happens without Favre.. I'm sure ill be the same if it happens with him.

I'm just a Packers fan, though... apparently that doesn't make any logical sense to some of you.

Maybe you are a joke? God plays funny tricks.

[pbmax]

Well I want Favre and his Vikings to defeat the Packers. I want him to not only shove it up TT's ass, and McCarthy's ass.

I think you may be more vindictive than Favre.

Probably. I have my reasons. I have figured out that I am less upset at Thompson and McCarthy, my real distain is for all of the Packer fans that just can't get over their own little butt-hurt of Favre playing for the Vikings, or wanting to play when he retired. I love how some of you still hold on to the "HE RETIRED!!!" banter. Sure he retired, but realized he wanted to play again. Packer brass didn't want/need him in Green Bay anymore, so they sat on him, fucked with his ability to play the game of football and then traded him to the Jets, where he made the best out of a so-so situation.

I don't think a player makes a team, but I don't have sit back and believe that I have to like a GM regardless of his ability or his past decisions because I root for the team that he manages. Everyone took up sides in this battle, I chose to side with Favre, that didn't mean that I hated the Packers. I hated what Ted Thompson did to Brett Favre, I disliked McCarthy for the way he handled Favre. That didn't mean I held every other part of the Packer organization accountable. I have been one of Aaron Rodgers biggest supporters on this board. I still like watching Packer games, but now I probably watch the games similar to how beat reporters do, I watch less as a fan and more from a analytical standpoint. I do my best to call it like I see it rather than showing favortism to the Packers organization.

So you would like to see said Packer fans (the one's whose feelings are bruised by Favre in Purple) get their just desserts by having the Vikings beat the Packers.

And yet you sided with Favre and hated what Thompson and McCarthy did to him. And this hatred has caused you to become less of a fan of the team in general even though you do not blame everyone associate with the team, least of all Rodgers.

You are someone who did not wish to see Favre play for another team. How are these not two sides of the same coin?

Because you have been adult enough not to come up with a nickname like "Bert" for Thompson? I think you might feel better if you did. No reason to love a GM, especially one with a mixed record like Thompson's. But it might let you separate out the team from the GM.

[pbmax]

After (and Before) everything that has been (will be) written about the Packers and Favre separation, I have a question. Does Waldo's theory have merit?

If you look back at 2008 offseason and inject the knowledge that Favre has a partially torn rotator cuff, does that change the dynamic of the maneuvering? Does it change your feeling on the matter?

And could it be true? The Packers, had they had such a medical report, would have had to disclose this information to the Jets, lest they fail him on a physical and let the world know he was wounded. Did the Jets (and now the Vikings) take a big risk? Did the Packers reject that risk?

Or did they reject a QB who needed a shortened offseason to avoid surgery?

[sheepshead]

After (and Before) everything that has been (will be) written about the Packers and Favre separation, I have a question. Does Waldo's theory have merit?

If you look back at 2008 offseason and inject the knowledge that Favre has a partially torn rotator cuff, does that change the dynamic of the maneuvering? Does it change you feeling?

And could it be true? The Packers, had they had such a medical report, would have had to disclose this information to the Jets, lest they fail him on a physical and let the world know he was wounded. Did the Jets (and now the Vikings) take a big risk? Did the Packers reject that risk?

Or did they reject a QB who needed a shortened offseason to avoid surgery?

Could it be that the Packers knew but Favre didnt know they knew???

[pbmax]

After (and Before) everything that has been (will be) written about the Packers and Favre separation, I have a question. Does Waldo's theory have merit?

If you look back at 2008 offseason and inject the knowledge that Favre has a partially torn rotator cuff, does that change the dynamic of the maneuvering? Does it change you feeling?

And could it be true? The Packers, had they had such a medical report, would have had to disclose this information to the Jets, lest they fail him on a physical and let the world know he was wounded. Did the Jets (and now the Vikings) take a big risk? Did the Packers reject that risk?

Or did they reject a QB who needed a shortened offseason to avoid surgery?

Could it be that the Packers knew but Favre didnt know they knew???

I think they would have opened themselves up to a lawsuit to a player who has the means to carry it through the justice system with a top flight legal team. I doubt it. If they knew, Favre knew is my best guess.

[Tarlam!]

I think they would have opened themselves up to a lawsuit to a player who has the means to carry it through the justice system with a top flight legal team. I doubt it. If they knew, Favre knew is my best guess.

I don't get your post, PB. Favre had retired. So what if the Packers knew and didn't tell hill? The only thing is an injury settlement, or am I missing your point?

[mraynrand]

What did Favre know, and when did he know it?

What did Thompson know, and when did he know it?

What did McCarthy know, and when did he know it?

What did Chilly know, and when did he know it?

What did Waldo know, and when did he know it?


"I did not know Brent Favre, or anything that he knew."

[mission]

Some of you guys are jokes (Nutz... the other jokes we've known about for much longer).

Like the guy at the Packers sports bar yesterday facing the opposite way of everyone else and clapping every time Favre did something good. Then he'd face the crowd and try to explain why something Brett did was so great and everyone pretty much just rolled their eyes. No one cares. In fact, the whole place was rooting for the 49ers, because, you know, they're playing our division opponent.

It's OK to be a Brett Favre fan... just be one and leave real Packer fans alone. All that says is you weren't much of a fan before Favre because anyone who's been down the whole road with this team knows it's much bigger than one individual player.

Even if Brett comes out and throws 500 yards and 5 touchdowns and beats the shit out of the Packers on Monday... it's a loss to the Vikings. I get sick to my stomach when that happens without Favre.. I'm sure ill be the same if it happens with him.

I'm just a Packers fan, though... apparently that doesn't make any logical sense to some of you.

Maybe you are a joke? God plays funny tricks.

Yeah, maybe... great reply.

[pbmax]

I think they would have opened themselves up to a lawsuit to a player who has the means to carry it through the justice system with a top flight legal team. I doubt it. If they knew, Favre knew is my best guess.

I don't get your post, PB. Favre had retired. So what if the Packers knew and didn't tell hill? The only thing is an injury settlement, or am I missing your point?

Well, every player on the roster (and practice squad) goes through an end of year physical. So there is a record of their injuries from football, progress from injuries earlier in the year and a plan can be formulated to rehab them to health.

So when Favre has his physical, he was not retired. They would have shared the results with him like with any player at the end of the year. This is one of the reasons the players are around the lockerroom for a day or two after their season ends.

I don't think there was a test that came back in March '08 after retirement that showed the damage. I think Waldo has pointed to a couple of injuries that would have required an MRI (Dallas game in 07 when his elbow and hand went numb for example) and he theorizes that the Pack might do an MRI on any existing injuries at the end of the year as well.

[DannoMac21]

Well I want Favre and his Vikings to defeat the Packers. I want him to not only shove it up TT's ass, and McCarthy's ass.

I think you may be more vindictive than Favre.

Probably. I have my reasons. I have figured out that I am less upset at Thompson and McCarthy, my real distain is for all of the Packer fans that just can't get over their own little butt-hurt of Favre playing for the Vikings, or wanting to play when he retired. I love how some of you still hold on to the "HE RETIRED!!!" banter. Sure he retired, but realized he wanted to play again. Packer brass didn't want/need him in Green Bay anymore, so they sat on him, fucked with his ability to play the game of football and then traded him to the Jets, where he made the best out of a so-so situation.

I don't think a player makes a team, but I don't have sit back and believe that I have to like a GM regardless of his ability or his past decisions because I root for the team that he manages. Everyone took up sides in this battle, I chose to side with Favre, that didn't mean that I hated the Packers. I hated what Ted Thompson did to Brett Favre, I disliked McCarthy for the way he handled Favre. That didn't mean I held every other part of the Packer organization accountable. I have been one of Aaron Rodgers biggest supporters on this board. I still like watching Packer games, but now I probably watch the games similar to how beat reporters do, I watch less as a fan and more from a analytical standpoint. I do my best to call it like I see it rather than showing favortism to the Packers organization.

So you're mad because the Packers didn't do what Favre wanted by trading him to the Vikings? You're mad because we traded him to the Jets and "fucked" with his football career? You're mad because we didn't give Favre what he wanted. Good Lord.

[Bossman641]

Well I want Favre and his Vikings to defeat the Packers. I want him to not only shove it up TT's ass, and McCarthy's ass.

I think you may be more vindictive than Favre.

Probably. I have my reasons. I have figured out that I am less upset at Thompson and McCarthy, my real distain is for all of the Packer fans that just can't get over their own little butt-hurt of Favre playing for the Vikings, or wanting to play when he retired. I love how some of you still hold on to the "HE RETIRED!!!" banter. Sure he retired, but realized he wanted to play again. Packer brass didn't want/need him in Green Bay anymore, so they sat on him, fucked with his ability to play the game of football and then traded him to the Jets, where he made the best out of a so-so situation.

I don't think a player makes a team, but I don't have sit back and believe that I have to like a GM regardless of his ability or his past decisions because I root for the team that he manages. Everyone took up sides in this battle, I chose to side with Favre, that didn't mean that I hated the Packers. I hated what Ted Thompson did to Brett Favre, I disliked McCarthy for the way he handled Favre. That didn't mean I held every other part of the Packer organization accountable. I have been one of Aaron Rodgers biggest supporters on this board. I still like watching Packer games, but now I probably watch the games similar to how beat reporters do, I watch less as a fan and more from a analytical standpoint. I do my best to call it like I see it rather than showing favortism to the Packers organization.

So you're mad because the Packers didn't do what Favre wanted by trading him to the Vikings? You're mad because we traded him to the Jets and "fucked" with his football career? You're mad because we didn't give Favre what he wanted. Good Lord.

Don't bother with logic.

Favre = good
Thompson - bad

Favre reached the point of his career where he was free to practice as he chose. And how dare the Packers actually use Favre as an asset and 1.) get value for him and 2.) keep him away from their rivals? They should have just released the man and flew him on a personal jet to Minnesota.

[mission]

Well I want Favre and his Vikings to defeat the Packers. I want him to not only shove it up TT's ass, and McCarthy's ass.

I think you may be more vindictive than Favre.

Probably. I have my reasons. I have figured out that I am less upset at Thompson and McCarthy, my real distain is for all of the Packer fans that just can't get over their own little butt-hurt of Favre playing for the Vikings, or wanting to play when he retired. I love how some of you still hold on to the "HE RETIRED!!!" banter. Sure he retired, but realized he wanted to play again. Packer brass didn't want/need him in Green Bay anymore, so they sat on him, fucked with his ability to play the game of football and then traded him to the Jets, where he made the best out of a so-so situation.

I don't think a player makes a team, but I don't have sit back and believe that I have to like a GM regardless of his ability or his past decisions because I root for the team that he manages. Everyone took up sides in this battle, I chose to side with Favre, that didn't mean that I hated the Packers. I hated what Ted Thompson did to Brett Favre, I disliked McCarthy for the way he handled Favre. That didn't mean I held every other part of the Packer organization accountable. I have been one of Aaron Rodgers biggest supporters on this board. I still like watching Packer games, but now I probably watch the games similar to how beat reporters do, I watch less as a fan and more from a analytical standpoint. I do my best to call it like I see it rather than showing favortism to the Packers organization.

So you're mad because the Packers didn't do what Favre wanted by trading him to the Vikings? You're mad because we traded him to the Jets and "fucked" with his football career? You're mad because we didn't give Favre what he wanted. Good Lord.

Pretty much.