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[falco]

I could also come up with photographic evidence.

I think last time you did that it ended up as someone's avatar. Maybe you should refrain this time.

[MichiganPackerFan]

Could it be that the Packers knew but Favre didnt know they knew???

Could it be that the Packers knew that Favre knew that the Packers knew that Favre knew ....?

[MOBB DEEP]

And its really only "packer nation" that holds such disdain for him (OF COURSE understandable to a point); evident by the fact that his purple #4 Jerz is still number 1 seller in 19 states!

Not even close MOBB. Any chat, message board, etc. reacts to a Favre article the same way. Half of the messages bemoan another Favre article. Some are tired of the coverage, some are tired of him or the story. Check footballoutsiders or profootballtalk or JSO. Same reactions. There are defenders and other rational posters, but the single overriding emotion is fatigue.

As for jersey sales being an indicator of nationwide support, that argument is undermined when these name also appear in the top 10 of jersey sales:

Jay Cutler, Michael Vick and Mark Sanchez.

As for Packer Nation, the fact that he still has supporters here, would seem to indicate a diversity of opinion on the matter.

Fatigued is not the same as disdain; most folk i know were fed up with the back and forth but dont hold a grudge towards some distant figure like he hurt them personally

And Ive begun to believe that the disgruntled ppl are the ones who appear to voice their opinions the loudest/display more passion. I firmly feel that we favre supporters have forgiven TT at a much faster rate than have Org supporters. I have no proof, just observations of different media

When i say "packer nation" i dont mean pack fans in general, but the ones who slander favre under the guise of loyalty to some big business. Because its the player(s) who provide me with the ENTERTAINMENT i seek, i tend to have more loytalty (however one can be loyal to a stranger) as opposed to the brass

This scenario couldnt have been scripted any better; MNF and divisioin rival has favre??!! Must see fun. LETS GOOOOOOO...!!!

Its all good either way folks want to think though, live and let live...God Bless us all

[SkinBasket]

I don't agree with you and that is okay.

I'm sure he'll sleep better tonight having received your absolution.

[GrnBay007]

Opening line - Vikings by 3.....so even up. Should be a great game!

[Packers4Ever]

I believe the NFC Championship game was TT's biggest game. I believe this upcoming game is the second biggest. He had better have a team ready to beat Favre twice this year or his face will be all over Sportscenter.

I agree re: the NFC Championship game with this one being 2nd.
How TT can sleep at night is beyond me, considering how many years
has it been since we've had a "complete" "all together" Offensive line?
If I were TT - and thank God I'm not - I'd have had that line all set up and ready to go by the end of pre-season. There's a whole lot of pressure off your body if you're prepared !!

Maybe he's one of these guys who runs on high pressure - you know - no hurry, no worry ? One of these days that's going to backfire bigtime !!
And if it does - watch out !!

[bobblehead]

And could it be true? The Packers, had they had such a medical report, would have had to disclose this information to the Jets, lest they fail him on a physical and let the world know he was wounded. Did the Jets (and now the Vikings) take a big risk? Did the Packers reject that risk?

I think that they could trade him to the Jets and play dumb.

After all, it is SOP for the new team to give a guy a thorough physical when completing a trade.

Many trades are rejected because of a failed physical.

Did the Jets discover it and not care?

I have only read to this point in the thread, but I will interject. A partially torn rotator isn't a season ender for a QB...a pitcher yes, but not a QB or a position player in baseball. I punched a hole in my rotator (don't ask) and didn't even know about it for a year...I knew it got achy after softball games, but it didn't actually affect my ability to throw, it just ached the next day.

Any of the above is possible. 1) It was there, but never showed on the MRI, doctors suspected it from his pain level after a lot of throws in a game. 2) It showed, but Brett could play with it and no one cared it was there. 3) no such thing was there, and no one had any concern about injury 4) it wasn't there, but brett said his arm was achy to give them reason to think it was....and to give him an excuse for that piss poor throw that led to the pick.

[MOBB DEEP]

IF vikes win, wont that mean that favre has beaten EVERY team in nfl?

[PlantPage55]

If I were TT - and thank God I'm not - I'd have had that line all set up and ready to go by the end of pre-season.

Oh that might just be the funniest thing I've ever read on this message board! I'm going to go to bed and sleep like a baby with dreams of reading something this funny sometime in the next week. I doubt it will be topped.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

IF Bert gets picked, wont that mean that favre has been intercepted by EVERY team in nfl?

Fixed

[Deputy Nutz]

And could it be true? The Packers, had they had such a medical report, would have had to disclose this information to the Jets, lest they fail him on a physical and let the world know he was wounded. Did the Jets (and now the Vikings) take a big risk? Did the Packers reject that risk?

I think that they could trade him to the Jets and play dumb.

After all, it is SOP for the new team to give a guy a thorough physical when completing a trade.

Many trades are rejected because of a failed physical.

Did the Jets discover it and not care?

I have only read to this point in the thread, but I will interject. A partially torn rotator isn't a season ender for a QB...a pitcher yes, but not a QB or a position player in baseball. I punched a hole in my rotator (don't ask) and didn't even know about it for a year...I knew it got achy after softball games, but it didn't actually affect my ability to throw, it just ached the next day.

Any of the above is possible. 1) It was there, but never showed on the MRI, doctors suspected it from his pain level after a lot of throws in a game. 2) It showed, but Brett could play with it and no one cared it was there. 3) no such thing was there, and no one had any concern about injury 4) it wasn't there, but brett said his arm was achy to give them reason to think it was....and to give him an excuse for that piss poor throw that led to the pick.

I have two rotator cuffs that have seen better days. I have a right one that is completely shredded and my left one has been "stretched" and torn. I am lucky that I am left handed so I can still throw pretty well. I sort of figured that at 38 years old he was going to have some little tears. His body has got to be a bunch of little tears.

[Deputy Nutz]

Well I want Favre and his Vikings to defeat the Packers. I want him to not only shove it up TT's ass, and McCarthy's ass.

I think you may be more vindictive than Favre.

Probably. I have my reasons. I have figured out that I am less upset at Thompson and McCarthy, my real distain is for all of the Packer fans that just can't get over their own little butt-hurt of Favre playing for the Vikings, or wanting to play when he retired. I love how some of you still hold on to the "HE RETIRED!!!" banter. Sure he retired, but realized he wanted to play again. Packer brass didn't want/need him in Green Bay anymore, so they sat on him, fucked with his ability to play the game of football and then traded him to the Jets, where he made the best out of a so-so situation.

I don't think a player makes a team, but I don't have sit back and believe that I have to like a GM regardless of his ability or his past decisions because I root for the team that he manages. Everyone took up sides in this battle, I chose to side with Favre, that didn't mean that I hated the Packers. I hated what Ted Thompson did to Brett Favre, I disliked McCarthy for the way he handled Favre. That didn't mean I held every other part of the Packer organization accountable. I have been one of Aaron Rodgers biggest supporters on this board. I still like watching Packer games, but now I probably watch the games similar to how beat reporters do, I watch less as a fan and more from a analytical standpoint. I do my best to call it like I see it rather than showing favortism to the Packers organization.

So you would like to see said Packer fans (the one's whose feelings are bruised by Favre in Purple) get their just desserts by having the Vikings beat the Packers.

And yet you sided with Favre and hated what Thompson and McCarthy did to him. And this hatred has caused you to become less of a fan of the team in general even though you do not blame everyone associate with the team, least of all Rodgers.

You are someone who did not wish to see Favre play for another team. How are these not two sides of the same coin?

Because you have been adult enough not to come up with a nickname like "Bert" for Thompson? I think you might feel better if you did. No reason to love a GM, especially one with a mixed record like Thompson's. But it might let you separate out the team from the GM.

Damn, you are like my shrink when it comes to football, how are you in handling the college football season?

[Deputy Nutz]

Some of you guys are jokes (Nutz... the other jokes we've known about for much longer).

Like the guy at the Packers sports bar yesterday facing the opposite way of everyone else and clapping every time Favre did something good. Then he'd face the crowd and try to explain why something Brett did was so great and everyone pretty much just rolled their eyes. No one cares. In fact, the whole place was rooting for the 49ers, because, you know, they're playing our division opponent.

It's OK to be a Brett Favre fan... just be one and leave real Packer fans alone. All that says is you weren't much of a fan before Favre because anyone who's been down the whole road with this team knows it's much bigger than one individual player.

Even if Brett comes out and throws 500 yards and 5 touchdowns and beats the shit out of the Packers on Monday... it's a loss to the Vikings. I get sick to my stomach when that happens without Favre.. I'm sure ill be the same if it happens with him.

I'm just a Packers fan, though... apparently that doesn't make any logical sense to some of you.

Maybe you are a joke? God plays funny tricks.

Yeah, maybe... great reply.

Well Mister Jokester, being a Packer fan does make sense to me, good for you. I hope they go out and win you the Super Bowl. I have desensitized myself to the Packers. I can be happy about a Packers win, but I don't much dwell on it after a loss. I used to be torn up inside for about a week after a loss. It wrecked my week. I am free of that, and I will thank Favre and Thompson for doing so.

Have a very pleasant day.

[Deputy Nutz]

After (and Before) everything that has been (will be) written about the Packers and Favre separation, I have a question. Does Waldo's theory have merit?

If you look back at 2008 offseason and inject the knowledge that Favre has a partially torn rotator cuff, does that change the dynamic of the maneuvering? Does it change your feeling on the matter?

And could it be true? The Packers, had they had such a medical report, would have had to disclose this information to the Jets, lest they fail him on a physical and let the world know he was wounded. Did the Jets (and now the Vikings) take a big risk? Did the Packers reject that risk?

Or did they reject a QB who needed a shortened offseason to avoid surgery?

Adding the torn RC to everything else it could be, but not taking him back because of the RC seems a little cut throat especially dealing with Favre. You have a quality backup in Rodgers, someone that could slip in incase Favre's shoulder would give out.

What is done is done, but I don't know exactly how much it ever had to do with his shoulder.

[pbmax]

Well I want Favre and his Vikings to defeat the Packers. I want him to not only shove it up TT's ass, and McCarthy's ass.

I think you may be more vindictive than Favre.

Probably. I have my reasons. I have figured out that I am less upset at Thompson and McCarthy, my real distain is for all of the Packer fans that just can't get over their own little butt-hurt of Favre playing for the Vikings, or wanting to play when he retired. I love how some of you still hold on to the "HE RETIRED!!!" banter. Sure he retired, but realized he wanted to play again. Packer brass didn't want/need him in Green Bay anymore, so they sat on him, fucked with his ability to play the game of football and then traded him to the Jets, where he made the best out of a so-so situation.

I don't think a player makes a team, but I don't have sit back and believe that I have to like a GM regardless of his ability or his past decisions because I root for the team that he manages. Everyone took up sides in this battle, I chose to side with Favre, that didn't mean that I hated the Packers. I hated what Ted Thompson did to Brett Favre, I disliked McCarthy for the way he handled Favre. That didn't mean I held every other part of the Packer organization accountable. I have been one of Aaron Rodgers biggest supporters on this board. I still like watching Packer games, but now I probably watch the games similar to how beat reporters do, I watch less as a fan and more from a analytical standpoint. I do my best to call it like I see it rather than showing favortism to the Packers organization.

So you would like to see said Packer fans (the one's whose feelings are bruised by Favre in Purple) get their just desserts by having the Vikings beat the Packers.

And yet you sided with Favre and hated what Thompson and McCarthy did to him. And this hatred has caused you to become less of a fan of the team in general even though you do not blame everyone associate with the team, least of all Rodgers.

You are someone who did not wish to see Favre play for another team. How are these not two sides of the same coin?

Because you have been adult enough not to come up with a nickname like "Bert" for Thompson? I think you might feel better if you did. No reason to love a GM, especially one with a mixed record like Thompson's. But it might let you separate out the team from the GM.

Damn, you are like my shrink when it comes to football, how are you in handling the college football season?

Currently horrible, as I almost hope that the Badger's Bert (Bielema) gets canned sooner rather than later. But I cannot say that its a rational decision. I just don't like him.