The Game

[bobblehead]

I'm hoping for the filthy traitor to get a taste of poetic justice in this game.

I agree. I've said it before and I'll say it again: I want Favre to get the living shit kicked outta him. No permanent damage or anything like that (I'd like for him to be alive when he gets inducted into the HOF in five years), but I'd be completely happy if he got rag-dolled a few times, slammed into that metrodome turf, and left the game horizontally after throwing 4 or 7 INTs. Unfortunately, I don't see that happening. The Vikings are going to play it really conservative and run run run - and rely on their defense.

Because Green Bay's defense really had Kyle Boller shaking behind the line of scrimmage.

They got one player on their defense and that is Woodson, so maybe Woodson off a blitz.

I'll give you due credit for being right preseason when you doubted how good we really were, but if Wood was the only player we have, why do QB's keep throwing at him? Answer, al is shutting fools down.

I also happen to think Cullen Jenkins is looking downright studly. I just happen to think that our LB's are as shitty as last year. I still want chillar in on base, I think he and Mathews are the only ones playing worth a shit. Kamp...don't like what i've seen so far as an LB. Hawk and Barnett can't seem to cover or get off a block. Bishop hasn't played enough for me to judge him. Same with Jeremy Thompson.

[pbmax]

They did enough to get him to run out of the pocket several times. Guess who won't be so hard to catch?

I tend to agree. I think the blitzing has helped. The QBs we've faced have been uneasy in the pocket. Now, run defense has been a mixed bag. We did well against Forte, did poorly against Benson, and did okay against Jackson. Jackson is a pretty good back and I feel if you don't let him dominate the game, you've done a decent job. I'd take similar numbers from Peterson.

We're middle of the pack in sacks, but I feel the pressure has been there. We are 1st in interceptions and 6th in pass deflections. We did give up a couple of big plays to Cutler, a couple of fluky plays to Palmer (the 3rd and 34 fumble forward and the flea flicker), and a couple of plays to Boller against Chillar. Overall, we've been pretty good with the pass rush and coverage.

Cutler completed 47.2% with 4 ints

Palmer only had 185 passing yards. Take out the two fluky plays and it was 118 yards.

Boller barely completed 50% of his passes. He hurt us more with his movement than anything.

I am a little concerned about the run D. Its hard to judge against Jackson because at times he made something from nothing, but so did Benson. Someone observed elsewhere that Poppinga has lost contain a TON of times from ROLB. It started in the preseason and continued against the Rams.

I am taking a little less comfort in our Bears game run D as the Bears have continued to have trouble running, possibly due to O Line changes. I hope that trend continues with Peterson.

[bbbffl66]

I'd also like to see our "D" - when put into a position to deliver - actually deliver.

I have no real complaints thus far about our D - it's just that if you re-watch that last "miracle" TD Brent throws to win against the SF 69'ers, you'll see someone (A DE, maybe a LB, or a safety) actually whiff on what woulda likely been a sack for a loss.

Gotta get home when your # is called.

He's always had that ability-eyes in the back of his head to avoid the sack. I hope for ARod's sake he learns it. He'll be being fed through a straw if not!

[pbmax]

I'd also like to see our "D" - when put into a position to deliver - actually deliver.

I have no real complaints thus far about our D - it's just that if you re-watch that last "miracle" TD Brent throws to win against the SF 69'ers, you'll see someone (A DE, maybe a LB, or a safety) actually whiff on what woulda likely been a sack for a loss.

Gotta get home when your # is called.

He's always had that ability-eyes in the back of his head to avoid the sack. I hope for ARod's sake he learns it. He'll be being fed through a straw if not!

No he has not. Favre took many more sacks when he was younger, especially when he held the ball for too long. It was a learned skill for him. If ARod can master it (ND72 had a post about part of it stemming from a look down at his blocking), you will see a marked improvement in his already good play. He showed signs of it this preseason, but they obviously have had more protection issues since the Reg. Season started.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I'd also like to see our "D" - when put into a position to deliver - actually deliver.

I have no real complaints thus far about our D - it's just that if you re-watch that last "miracle" TD Brent throws to win against the SF 69'ers, you'll see someone (A DE, maybe a LB, or a safety) actually whiff on what woulda likely been a sack for a loss.

Gotta get home when your # is called.

He's always had that ability-eyes in the back of his head to avoid the sack. I hope for ARod's sake he learns it. He'll be being fed through a straw if not!

No he has not. Favre took many more sacks when he was younger, especially when he held the ball for too long. It was a learned skill for him. If ARod can master it (ND72 had a post about part of it stemming from a look down at his blocking), you will see a marked improvement in his already good play. He showed signs of it this preseason, but they obviously have had more protection issues since the Reg. Season started.

It is amazing how packer fans have collectively wiped out memories of Bert's first 3-4 years.

How can so many forget things like Lambeau exploding in cheers when Bert finally learned to throw the ball away.

[Fritz]

They did enough to get him to run out of the pocket several times. Guess who won't be so hard to catch?

I tend to agree. I think the blitzing has helped. The QBs we've faced have been uneasy in the pocket. Now, run defense has been a mixed bag. We did well against Forte, did poorly against Benson, and did okay against Jackson. Jackson is a pretty good back and I feel if you don't let him dominate the game, you've done a decent job. I'd take similar numbers from Peterson.

We're middle of the pack in sacks, but I feel the pressure has been there. We are 1st in interceptions and 6th in pass deflections. We did give up a couple of big plays to Cutler, a couple of fluky plays to Palmer (the 3rd and 34 fumble forward and the flea flicker), and a couple of plays to Boller against Chillar. Overall, we've been pretty good with the pass rush and coverage.

Cutler completed 47.2% with 4 ints

Palmer only had 185 passing yards. Take out the two fluky plays and it was 118 yards.

Boller barely completed 50% of his passes. He hurt us more with his movement than anything.

I am a little concerned about the run D. Its hard to judge against Jackson because at times he made something from nothing, but so did Benson. Someone observed elsewhere that Poppinga has lost contain a TON of times from ROLB. It started in the preseason and continued against the Rams.

I am taking a little less comfort in our Bears game run D as the Bears have continued to have trouble running, possibly due to O Line changes. I hope that trend continues with Peterson.

I'll be interested to see if Popps is out there as often on Monday. I was talking to a friend today who was unhappy with Hawk's play. He'd like to see Bishop more often. I pointed out that if that's going to happen, it woudn't be until after the bye. From what I'm gathering on the board here, the team didn't put Bishop at Hawk's spot til late in pre-season, so he's still learning. Besides, he still is I think not assignment sure - and if you blow an assignment with Peterson running, it's a touchdown.

[Sparkey]

They did enough to get him to run out of the pocket several times. Guess who won't be so hard to catch?

I tend to agree. I think the blitzing has helped. The QBs we've faced have been uneasy in the pocket. Now, run defense has been a mixed bag. We did well against Forte, did poorly against Benson, and did okay against Jackson. Jackson is a pretty good back and I feel if you don't let him dominate the game, you've done a decent job. I'd take similar numbers from Peterson.

We're middle of the pack in sacks, but I feel the pressure has been there. We are 1st in interceptions and 6th in pass deflections. We did give up a couple of big plays to Cutler, a couple of fluky plays to Palmer (the 3rd and 34 fumble forward and the flea flicker), and a couple of plays to Boller against Chillar. Overall, we've been pretty good with the pass rush and coverage.

Cutler completed 47.2% with 4 ints

Palmer only had 185 passing yards. Take out the two fluky plays and it was 118 yards.

Boller barely completed 50% of his passes. He hurt us more with his movement than anything.

I am a little concerned about the run D. Its hard to judge against Jackson because at times he made something from nothing, but so did Benson. Someone observed elsewhere that Poppinga has lost contain a TON of times from ROLB. It started in the preseason and continued against the Rams.

I am taking a little less comfort in our Bears game run D as the Bears have continued to have trouble running, possibly due to O Line changes. I hope that trend continues with Peterson.

I have re-watched the first three games numerous times, and when watching the D I get some early conclusions that hopefully will disappear as everyone gets more comfortable in the scheme:

1. Brady Poppinga should be a backup. He is out of position often, and guess way to much. Also, he struggles to dis-engage from blockers. When Matthews is ready, get his ass in there and unleash him.

2. Barnett looks hesitant, which is understandable. He was a bit more active against the Rams, but it appears he is not sure about the knee. Chillar is the better of the two at this moment in time.

3. Kampann is struggling with the play recognition at LB. Basically he is thinking instead of reacting/attacking. Not too worried at this time. He is at LB after seven years of playing end. As he gets more game action in, his natural instincts shoud return.

4. Hawk is Hawk. He doesn't make many huge flashy plays, but very seldom is he out of position or misses tackles. This scheme fits him and I think he will get better. However, I do not think he will ever be that dominating LB many expected, but having an assignment sure tackler at ilb is nothing but a positive.

5. Woodson and Harris are studs. Chuck is top 5 cb and Harris is top 10. They are completely different players but complement each other perfectly.

6. Jenkins is a beast at DE. Considering we were all lead to believe that the ends in this scheme are mostly there to occupy blockers and play the run, it is obvious that Capers knows what type of players he has and is tailoring the scheme to fit the players.

7. Jolly is playing far better than I envisioned him. He looks like the dude from 07 and not 08. Maybe the legal issues have made him realize life is short in the NFL and make the most i\of it while you can.

8. Pickett is solid.

9. Raji is still getting his game legs. Missing two a days shows. He will improve as the season progresses. (The ankle didn't help in this regard)


So, overall, the concerns I have are more along the lines of wondering how long before the players are all comfortable not only with the scheme and their assignments, but the guy next to them. Concerns about the safeties are the biggest issue. I don't believe Bigby will ever be what he was. (Actually, other than a big hitter, he was average at everything else prior to his injury)

Scheme idea: In passing situations, I'd love to see Jenkins and either ILB run some more twists on a blitz with a corner coming in from Jenkins side on a delay. Should cause major confusion by the tackle & guard.

[Kiwon]

2. Barnett looks hesitant, which is understandable. He was a bit more active against the Rams, but it appears he is not sure about the knee. Chillar is the better of the two at this moment in time.

So what gives with Nick Barnett?

Has he not fully recovered from last season's injury? Not comfortable in the new scheme? Problems off the field?

He's the leading tackler the last few years, always around the ball. He was heading for a Pro Bowl eventually. Wood and Harris are great, but Nick's a playmaker too. We need him big time versus Peterson this week.

[Sparkey]

2. Barnett looks hesitant, which is understandable. He was a bit more active against the Rams, but it appears he is not sure about the knee. Chillar is the better of the two at this moment in time.

So what gives with Nick Barnett?

Has he not fully recovered from last season's injury? Not comfortable in the new scheme? Problems off the field?

He's the leading tackler the last few years, always around the ball. He was heading for a Pro Bowl eventually. Wood and Harris are great, but Nick's a playmaker too. We need him big time versus Peterson this week.

Physically, I believe his knee is fine. Psychologically, I think it is holding him back from letting loose. That takes time (know this from experience) before you again fully trust your knee.

The injury also completely prevented him from partaking in any off-season camps, OTA's and the majority of training camp. Sure he was in the meetings, but that is nothing close to getting those live reps that let you apply the concepts of a scheme.

[Fosco33]

Did Chilly just say Favre will have the mentality of a serial killer once the game starts?

Odd choice of words to say the least...

[Chevelle2]

Did Chilly just say Favre will have the mentality of a serial killer once the game starts?

Odd choice of words to say the least...

I hope that means Favre will be chucking it around a bunch of times.

[Chevelle2]

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2009/10/greg-jennings-packers-want-to-beat-brett-favres-vikings-for-aaron-rodgers/1

Greg Jennings: Packers want to beat Brett Favre's Vikings for Aaron Rodgers

[MOBB DEEP]

Lord Favre...

[Fritz]

Honestly - did Chilly really say that??

If he amps it up any more, next face-off maybe he'll say Favre will have the mentality of a child rapist.

Tell me he didn't invoke the serial killer image as a good thing.

[Sparkey]

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What does Childress want from Favre?

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Vikings coach Brad Childress has said on many occasions that he has pulled one of his players aside and talked to them before a game he thinks might be emotional for them. This might include a guy going to his hometown for the first time to play or playing against his former team.

So what does Childress do when one of his guys spent 16 seasons with a team that now happens to be the Vikings' division rival? We're about to find out. Childress said today that he is sure he will have his usual conversation with Brett Favre before the quarterback faces the Packers on Monday night.

Childress said he realizes Favre might feel some emotions before the game but his hope is that when the game starts Favre has a "serial-killer mentality."

"It usually all stops after pregame handshakes and that type of thing," Childress said of his expectations for Favre's mental state. "Then it gets to being X's and O's out there and scheme. Can you get a tell? Is somebody showing you something? You can't help but knowing personnel, knowing pluses and minuses about people. You just have to make sure that that's not the overriding factor. Then again it comes back to the scheme and playing within the scheme. He'll have enough opportunities to make those off-schedule plays, off-schedule throws on his own. And then trusting the people that are around you. He's an emotional guy and I'm sure there will be a wave of emotion before the game and then kind of hopefully a cold, kind of a serial-killer mentality when the game starts."

Favre paused for a moment when asked about having the mentality of a serial killer.

"Serial killer mentality?" Favre said. "I don't know if I would have put it that way, but I just want to play the way I played last week [against San Francisco]. With a few more improvements. There are a few plays that I could have made last week. ... I don't know how many games I've played in, but this game is no different than the fourth game I played in last year. In reality, this is a Monday night game. Yeah, that's the only game playing and there is more excitement because of that game, but you can't treat it any differently. Trying to keep your emotions in check any time is part of it."

As for Favre's physical well-being, that is another matter. He took a pounding last Sunday against the 49ers. "I've never been as beat after a game as I was the other day," Favre said. "I had nothing left, so that had a lot to do with how I felt."