Aaron Rodgers -- Hurt or just playing very poorly thus far

[pbmax]

I've got to step my game up. I didn't make the list and new lost post number guy did. Sheesh!

[Partial]

I've got to step my game up. I didn't make the list and new lost post number did. Sheesh!

You and I have good discussion. You're not disrespectful.

[Fritz]

This thread title - "Aaron Rodgers - Hurt or just playing very poorly thus far", indicates two negative absolutes: he is either hurt, or he is just playing very poorly.

Is he hurt? Probably, at least a little (who isn't nicked up in some fashion in the NFL) but I have seen nothing to indicate he is hurt seriously enough to affect his play. I believe Partial made some good points arguing against an injury - a QB who is at least moderately injured probably wouldn't be fighting for every yard on scrambles or winging long bombs down the field. One of the arguments was something like "maybe he is throwing the ball too hard for his receivers to catch, thus the drops" - that isn't an indicator of an injured QB.

Is he playing poorly? Not in my opinion. He is currently #7 in QB rating - yes, an overrated stat that isn't necessarily indicative of QB performance, yet it does indicate that he has performed better than "very poorly", compared to the rest of the league, up to this point. He has yet to throw an interception, despite taking aggressive shots down the field with suspect (at best) protection from his offensive line and backs. Whenever I watch the Pack play I feel he is, without a doubt, our best weapon and best chance to win. He makes plays with his arm, with his feet (currently second most rushing yards for QB behind David Garrard) and I think he does have that "it" factor that you need in a QB. He seems poised and doesn't appear to get rattled too easily, although there are some indications that the pressure this year is getting to him (i.e. sacks, knockdowns, etc. - not to be confused with media pressure). He seems to be handling that pressure about as well as I would expect any QB to handle it, including Brady, Manning, etc. All indications are that the players believe in him.

Is there room for improvement? Absolutely. His accuracy has been disappointing on some throws, and the overall play of the offense has been very disappointing. Especially when considering the standard of performance set this preseason. I also think the poor offensive line play and WR drops has contributed in a big way to his decision making - he does seem to be holding the ball too long in several instances and as such is his own worst enemy for some of the sacks he has taken. Have those been coverage/OL blocking sacks, or poor decisions on his part? Probably a little of both. I can't really say, all I've seen is the TV footage, which really doesn't show what is happening in the secondary on most plays.


Back to the thread title - if this were a poll, I would vote "none of the above". His play to this point has been bellow what I was expecting at this point of the season, but he doesn't appear to have an injury serious enough to greatly affect his performance. His timing is obviously off with his receivers and his decision making is debatable, I contribute both mostly to the blocking (or lack thereof) provided by the OL. But considering where he stands statistically right now among NFL QBs, in my opinion he is doing much better than "very poor".

I think this is a thoughtful post, and I agree with most of it. The only nitpicking I would do is to suggest that I'm not too disappointed, even slightly. I think Rodgers's accuracy might be better if he had better protection.

But on the whole, a fine post here.

[PackerTimer]

Then people don't need to respond if they're tired of it. I'm entitled to my opinion and am allowed to express it. I disagree with your opinion. I'm not about to make personal attacks against you, though, or encourage others to gang up on you...

I certainly wouldn't justify my dispicable actions by saying "everyone else does it" or something to that effect.

That is the difference between me and most of the people here.

I've never personally attacked you. I said that your unwillingness to admit the flaws in your argument annoys me. That's not exactly an attack. At least not any more than you saying that everybody but you just doesn't get it.

It's too bad I don't disagree with a lot of what you say on a lot of other topics, it's just that your opinion regarding Aaron Rodgers is misinformed.

[mraynrand]

This is what makes Packerrats so much fun: great football posts like this. I am fucking sick of shit like this on the Packer forum. From now on Partial is getting complete self-imposed 'ignore' from me.

Partial, since you are the main instigator, you'll need to demonstrate a lot of patience with the Rats that you've habitually been uncivilized with. Maybe an apology from you would be in order, even though some people owe you apologies, too.

Don't expect instant results from others, but demonstrate you mean what you say over an extended period. You know I have your back more than anyone here, so trust me when I say, you'll be held to your word and further ostracized if you fall into current habits.

I wish you the best of luck and I hope Rats will at least take a wait and see approach.

Tarlam, I completely disagree with you. I put together a nice post with points and counter points.

Here are some of the comments I received numbered for you. I'm so tired of this garbage gang-up hazing behavior being tolerated.

I will certainly agree that I have been uncivilized to a small degree, but to be fair I've been provoked by an angry mob of people who do not share my opinions.

Is this fair? No, it's not. Should it be allowed? No, it should not. All of a sudden one day I went from a good, respected poster to the guy that everyone decided it was okay to completely disrespect. If someone disagrees with my opinions, then fine, but disrespecting me as a person is completely uncalled for and out of line. I'm so tired of it and this place in general.

Half of the things said about me would never be said to my face because it's inappropriate and out of line. Falco, ThunderDan, and Skin know that half of the crap they say on here they would never get away with in real life because they get a beer to the face quickly followed by a clenched fist. I'm so tired of it being okay to keep poking the fucking bear. It's not okay.

I would like to think that peoples' parent's did a better job raising them than that. That's certainly not me, I've snapped on a few times here due to constantly being provoked and ripped on personally, but I'm not an outright asshole consistently over and over and over again.

QFT

Helping or hurting?


26.

You are the most annoying asshat on this forum. You are an arrogant son of a bitch who thinks his shit doesn't stink and when you contradict an ealier post of yours you throw out some more incoherent trash about something else to try and deflect.

I remember someone hear saying your passionate about your beliefs. That is great and everyone should be, BUT you change tune at the slightest change in the weather, so to speak.

To top it off, you use comebacks such as "game set and match...motherfu#&er" and then can not understand why so many posters get annoyed with your shit.

Really, Partial? That type of comment is something you would expect a 16 year old to use.

Maybe, and I actually hope that most of this is a type of sarcastic, smart-ass humor that works amongst regular friends because if you actually, truly post this shit because you believe it ?! Well, then, sir, you are a grade A, prime cut, assclown!!

Helping or hurting. This is completely out of line in every way, shape and or form.

25.

well guys, which one is it?

does this thread suck, or blow?

Queef?

Inappropriate. Helping or hurting?

24.

Look out, Partial's been known to compare his post count against others as a way of marking his territory. And a belated welcome to the forum to you.

its not the size of your post count, its how you use it.

That's what people with small post counts say. That said, please grow up. Helping or hurting?

23.

*sigh*. You guys just don't get it.

Yes, we know. We'll never be as smart or insightful as you. It breaks our stupid little hearts.

There's someone like Partial on every forum. Lucky us.

Look out, Partial's been known to compare his post count against others as a way of marking his territory. And a belated welcome to the forum to you.

Ridiculous. Again, are you helping or hurting?

22.

*sigh*. You guys just don't get it.

Yes, we know. We'll never be as smart or insightful as you. It breaks our stupid little hearts.

There's someone like Partial on every forum. Lucky us.

You don't know anything about me. Awfully presumptuous, don't you say/

21.

well guys, which one is it?

does this thread suck, or blow?

Unnecessary given the level of hate thrown around. Please try to help, don't hurt.

20.

*sigh*. You guys just don't get it.

Yes, we know. We'll never be as smart or insightful as you. It breaks our stupid little hearts.

Did I say that? No. Did I imply that? No. Please stop spamming and contributing to a negative environment.

19.

You're way off man. Rodgers isn't average. He's "playing very poor." You just don't get it. He's killing our defense.

I agree, but based on your previous post this is just sarcasm. It's hurting, not helping. It's quite frankly being a negative influence.

18.

*sigh*. You guys just don't get it.

Right Parsh. Everyone is clueless and you are the sole source of supreme football analysis. Apparently, your venerable analyst McGinn doesn't get it either, and those defensive players playing against the Packers this week are clueless too damn it!

When have I ever said that? Why the personal assault? This is completely out of line and awfully presumptuous.

17.

Y'know, I felt kinda bad from time to time when it seemed like people were piling on to Partial or egging him on.

Not any more.

He likes it! Hey Mikey!

No, I don't. I think it speaks to the gang mentality of this forum.

It's a shame, really. Especially that instead of helping the problem you encouraged it.

16.

Guaranteed

Why wouldn't they? They were last year.

This was really contributing a lot to the board. Please grow up. This is ridiculous spam.

15.

Dude, seriously stop with this fucking nonsense. How many different threads do you need to say the same shit? Day after day, give it up man.

agreed

it gets old

You're entitled to your opinion but I'm also entitled to mine and allowed to post well thought out, fair assessments such as this. Instead of debating the merit of the post you chose to engage in spam. Spam gets old faster than a quality first post like mine.

14.

Guaranteed

Again, how is this helping? Are you helping or hurting?

13.

Dude, seriously stop with this fucking nonsense. How many different threads do you need to say the same shit? Day after day, give it up man.

Am I not entitled to post my opinion? This post was horrible. It has inappropriate curse words in it, and personally attacked me. Meanwhile, I took the time to write up a long post as to why I held my position and you ignored it to post this BS. Is that fair to me? No. It's not.

12.

well guys, which one is it?

does this thread suck, or blow?

How is the contributing to creating a positive environment? Are you setting an example or are you being a hate mongerer?

11.

I like you as a poster because you're typically reasonably but what is the deal with the spam?

10.

This thread blows

yup

I've asked you repeatedly not to respond to my threads, yet you continue to come in here and spam. I do not appreciate it. What was the point of this?

9.

Nothing more to see in this thread. It's done as it's a silly premise.

I disagree. It's not a silly premise at all as we have had an inept offense in my opinion for 80% of the time thus far this season.

8.

Don't care about stats in this case.

By "in this case," he means when they contradict him.

Or at least until he finds some stats he thinks back him up. Then those will be unassailable.

Untrue, unnecessary, and inappropriate. Think of the forum and please be fair.

7.

Don't care about stats in this case.

By "in this case," he means when they contradict him.

Stop slandering my character with your lies. This is unnecessary and inappropriate. What good is this doing the forum?

6.

This thread blows

Unnecessary and inappropriate. Please address the topic at hand.

5.

And maybe we wouldn't have senseless fucking threads like this each week.

Unnecessary and inappropriate. Act like an adult please.

4.

Stop you I am sick of all the

What does this have to do with the topic. Please address the post that I spent time thinking of and writing or do not post in the thread. This is called spam. It isn't contributing anything positive at all.

3.

Seriously, Partial and a couple other guys are not even Packer fans, and should either hit up a Favre forum or a Vikings forum.

This is defamation of character and a line of BS. Unnecessary and inappropriate.

2.

I guess Partial was goaded into this one too?

Inappropriate and unnecessary. How is this productive?

1.

[Cheesehead Craig]

So me calling your premise silly is a personal attack on you Partial?

I did not make one personal comment towards you. Now you are simply being hypersensitive.

[pbmax]

Its a good thing we didn't lose to the Rams.

Partial, if you are still available, please read superfan's and Fritz's posts. No one is trying to tell you how to think. But superfan has a point, tendentious posts just make the whole experience a shouting match.

Puts On Old Man Mask Like In Mr Ayn Rand's Favre Picture: Did you ever hear the store of Sandy Koufax when he was a young phenom? Had an arm that you see once a generation. Fastball that can't be seen and a hellacious curveball (pretty sure it was a curve, not many slider pitchers then).

But he had a control problem. Didn't know where the pitches were going. One coach or catcher told him "OK, you throw 100% all the time, no one can hit it, but you don't know where the pitch is headed. Try 95% effort, most still won't see it and it might go where you want it to." Boom. Hall of Fame.

If you were 95% certain in your posts, people might relate better.

Except on Darren Sharper. I am refusing to compromise on Sharper.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Ty is still trying to figure out how "this thread blows" is directed at Partial specifically.

And, why, even if it is...that it is a big deal. Fuck, i've seen "this thread blows" other times...and the thread creator wasn't crying about it.

[superfan]

The only nitpicking I would do is to suggest that I'm not too disappointed, even slightly. I think Rodgers's accuracy might be better if he had better protection.

I agree, Fritz. To clarify, my stance is that Rodgers has missed on a few individual throws, which has been a little disappointing that he failed to connect on those (whether the fault of Rodgers, blocking, receivers, whatever), and the offense as a whole has been disappointing based on preseason expectations (same reasons as above).

Thanks for the overall props. This board as a whole could use a few more and a few less .

[get louder at lambeau]

22.

*sigh*. You guys just don't get it.

Yes, we know. We'll never be as smart or insightful as you. It breaks our stupid little hearts.

There's someone like Partial on every forum. Lucky us.

You don't know anything about me. Awfully presumptuous, don't you say/

Kinda presumptuous, sure. I'm going off how you have chosen to present yourself in this thread.

We have a guy who comes across very similarly at my forum, packersplanet.com. There's another guy who seems a lot like you at my other forum, packersnews.net. They could be your brothers, as far as how you guys interact on Packer forums. It seems to be some kind of natural niche that someone will invariably fill.

All three of you present your opinions and defend them viciously, to the point of obstinately ignoring contradictory evidence provided by other members. When other members perceive this as arrogance/ignorance, you respond by alternately demeaning them, as you did in the "*sigh*" post above, and acting like a victim, as you did by listing where everyone else is picking on you.

I've been lurking around this forum for a little while, and I've seen you post some very good stuff (another parallel with the guys at my forums). I have nothing against you. As you've stated, I don't know you at all. Just calling it how I see it. SkinBasket's response to your attitude was hilarious, in my opinion.

Your attempt at owning up is admirable. A lot of people have trouble walking the walk with that kind of stuff. If you want to really try to pull it off, I would suggest that you re-read Tarlam!'s advice with an ear perked towards the patience angle, as opposed to what you disagree with him about. It's way too easy to fall back into the same old rut. Good luck.

[superfan]

Puts On Old Man Mask Like In Mr Ayn Rand's Favre Picture: Did you ever hear the store of Sandy Koufax when he was a young phenom? Had an arm that you see once a generation. Fastball that can't be seen and a hellacious curveball (pretty sure it was a curve, not many slider pitchers then).

But he had a control problem. Didn't know where the pitches were going. One coach or catcher told him "OK, you throw 100% all the time, no one can hit it, but you don't know where the pitch is headed. Try 95% effort, most still won't see it and it might go where you want it to." Boom. Hall of Fame.

If you were 95% certain in your posts, people might relate better.

Except on Darren Sharper. I am refusing to compromise on Sharper.

Excellent analogy, PB. I'm a big fan of relevant analogies, and you hit the 2-2 pitch across the goalline, with the other team out of challenges and in a double bonus situation.

[pbmax]

Puts On Old Man Mask Like In Mr Ayn Rand's Favre Picture: Did you ever hear the store of Sandy Koufax when he was a young phenom? Had an arm that you see once a generation. Fastball that can't be seen and a hellacious curveball (pretty sure it was a curve, not many slider pitchers then).

But he had a control problem. Didn't know where the pitches were going. One coach or catcher told him "OK, you throw 100% all the time, no one can hit it, but you don't know where the pitch is headed. Try 95% effort, most still won't see it and it might go where you want it to." Boom. Hall of Fame.

If you were 95% certain in your posts, people might relate better.

Except on Darren Sharper. I am refusing to compromise on Sharper.

Excellent analogy, PB. I'm a big fan of relevant analogies, and you hit the 2-2 pitch across the goalline, with the other team out of challenges and in a double bonus situation.

What about penalty time?

[superfan]

What about penalty time?

Two minutes for delay of game. Unless it is a balk, balks are reviewable by the officials only inside of two minutes and are not challengeable.

Hope that clears things up.

[MJZiggy]

What about penalty time?

Two minutes for delay of game. Unless it is a balk, balks are reviewable by the officials only inside of two minutes and are not challengeable.

Hope that clears things up.

Good thing there's a 12-inch buffer after a series like this...

[superfan]

Good thing there's a 12-inch buffer after a series like this...