Great article on insider

[MichiganPackerFan]

Grant is a solid athlete. He's usually only as good as his offensive line. Has a couple good runs when gets outside from time to time. Can't create. Not a special player.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I was preaching that Grant sucks in the game thread. Everyone got on top of me in a mean, vicious way telling me how wrong and dumb I was. Turns out the professionals and I see eye to eye.

While I said i was done with your trolling, Ty is going to take this opportunity to instruct you...in the hope that it will be constructive. Ty doubts it...prove Ty wrong.

1. You said he sucks. Eric said he is just a guy. There is a big difference between what you said and what he said. Now, perhaps your point woulda been made, you woulda seemed logical, and you wouldn't have inflamed everybody against you if you had simply said "grant is exceedingly average, pedestrian"....that is a more sane approach, and more accurate. Cause if Grant sucks..then what does Samkon Gado do?

2. The forum notes your ability to jump on Grant, yet the professional notes that the line only successfully blocked 6 out of 28 runs well. This would have been a perfect time for you to admit your assesment of the line was off...and that while Grant in your opinion was "average/pedestrian" he surely wasn't helped by the crappy job his line is doing. See, then you come across as fair..and you still get to promote Grant as average.

3. Now, we all see you noting the professional as credible to support your view of Grant. What we don't see is you now coming clean and noting the professional's opinion of Rodgers..which pretty much assails your viewpoint...playing well and tough as nails. No injury, no horrible...PLAYING WELL.

Now, you have a choice..you can act like partial 1.0 and continue to selectively pull info from a professional that agrees with you...or you can be partial 2.0 and say...hmm, if i'm going to use this guy...i gotta use all of him..cause if i don't, then i'm just bsing.

Your choice.

1. There is not just a difference between just a guy and sucking in my opinion. If you want to debate that, go ahead, but I will not.\

2. I didn't even read the article skimmed the first post, I don't have that sort of time.

3. Professional opinions are supporting my theory of Rodgers being average. See the article of Scouts opinions by Bob McGinn averaging out to 19 and than more this off-season.

That is all.

Dude,

PB, myself and thousands others would tell you that there is a difference between jag and sucking. So, partial 1.0 Fail.

2. Just skimmed and found the part that suited you. Perhaps if you havent read it and digested it, you shouldn't be using it...as it makes you look stupid. Partial 1.0 Fail.

3. Not professional opinions, we are talking specifically this article. And, the offseason isn't relevant...as your contention is now. And, far more articles about him being part of the top young qbs...see the SI Peter king article. Partial 1.0 Fail.

Given the chance, you would rather not turn over the new leaf, but would ask us to do so. Gave you a chance to look smart and look like you were growing. Fail.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Grant is a solid athlete. He's usually only as good as his offensive line. Has a couple good runs when gets outside from time to time. Can't create. Not a special player.

100% in agreement.

That doesn't mean he sucks. It means he is average to slightly above average.

[Waldo]

Guys who have traits that I wish Grant had:

Adrian Peterson
Chris Johnson
Steven Jackson
Maurice Jones-Drew
Ronnie Brown
Frank Gore
Michael Turner
Felix Jones
Marion Barber
Brandon Jacobs
Knowshon Moreno
Clinton Portis
Thomas Jones
DeAngelo Williams
Leon Washington
Matt Forte
Darren McFadden
Joseph Addai
Brian Westbrook
Reggie Bush
Michael Bush
Darren Sproles
LenDale White
Beanie Wells
Marshawn Lynch
Cedric Benson

Cadillac probably belongs on there too.

Unfortunately, most teams have at least one of those guys.

"average"

Grant IMO is a stopgap. He is a marginal starter at best.

[falco]

Hard to argue that we shouldn't be looking to upgrade the RB position as soon as possible.

[Sparkey]

I remember reading once where an o line coach said great o-lines can make a rb look good and great rb's can make an o-line look good.

Sadly, we have neither.

[Lurker64]

Waldo, think the Packers might be targeting either Jahvid Best or C.J. Spiller in the upcoming draft? Both of them seem to have skillsets that would complement our current stable of backs well (and they're players that I personally like), but they're first round guys and the party line on the benefits of the ZBS is that it doesn't require you to spend premium picks on OL or RBs, so I don't know if Thompson would do it, particularly in a draft that's stocked with Safeties and DTs.

It's really hard to get a good look at the RBs this early, since almost all of the RBs worth a damn in the draft are juniors.

[falco]

Hard to say what pick we should target in the first round next year. I think we probably need to invest a pick in a franchise lineman, but we could also use a playmaking RB or someone decent to line up next to Collins.

[Waldo]

Waldo, think the Packers might be targeting either Jahvid Best or C.J. Spiller in the upcoming draft? Both of them seem to have skillsets that would complement our current stable of backs well (and they're players that I personally like), but they're first round guys and the party line on the benefits of the ZBS is that it doesn't require you to spend premium picks on OL or RBs, so I don't know if Thompson would do it, particularly in a draft that's stocked with Safeties and DTs.

It's really hard to get a good look at the RBs this early, since almost all of the RBs worth a damn in the draft are juniors.

Or younger.

That true Sophomore that Alabama has, Mark Ingram, that kid is going to be a superstar. NFL size, compact, shifty, powerful, and fast.

It's not hard to figure out why Coffee came out early, which many people said was a bad idea at draft time. Nope. Ingram is WAY better than Coffee.

[Waldo]

Hard to say what pick we should target in the first round next year. I think we probably need to invest a pick in a franchise lineman, but we could also use a playmaking RB or someone decent to line up next to Collins.

OR an elite DE prospect, or an OLB prospect, or an elite ILB prospect, possibly a CB (which Ted values very highly).

I don't think that Ted values safeties very highly, not nearly as much as CB's.

Impressive though that it appears that Clay is a hit (I'm extremely impressed with him), 1st round 3-4 OLB's seem to be no better than a 50-50 proposition.

[Partial]

Hard to say what pick we should target in the first round next year. I think we probably need to invest a pick in a franchise lineman, but we could also use a playmaking RB or someone decent to line up next to Collins.

OR an elite DE prospect, or an OLB prospect, or an elite ILB prospect, possibly a CB (which Ted values very highly).

I don't think that Ted values safeties very highly, not nearly as much as CB's.

Impressive though that it appears that Clay is a hit (I'm extremely impressed with him), 1st round 3-4 OLB's seem to be no better than a 50-50 proposition.

Your Power Rankings in your blog would be very close to how I see it. Kudos on a job well done. I would flop the Pack and Falcons but htats about it.

[Waldo]

Hard to say what pick we should target in the first round next year. I think we probably need to invest a pick in a franchise lineman, but we could also use a playmaking RB or someone decent to line up next to Collins.

OR an elite DE prospect, or an OLB prospect, or an elite ILB prospect, possibly a CB (which Ted values very highly).

I don't think that Ted values safeties very highly, not nearly as much as CB's.

Impressive though that it appears that Clay is a hit (I'm extremely impressed with him), 1st round 3-4 OLB's seem to be no better than a 50-50 proposition.

Your Power Rankings in your blog would be very close to how I see it. Kudos on a job well done.

Thanks.

I like the results I'm getting out of that program. I've got ideas to tweak it, but I'm not so sure that it is worth it. The verification that I am getting with games is good enough to lead many pick 'em leagues.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Guys who have traits that I wish Grant had:

Adrian Peterson
Chris Johnson
Steven Jackson
Maurice Jones-Drew
Ronnie Brown
Frank Gore
Michael Turner
Felix Jones hurt again
Marion Barber
Brandon Jacobs
Knowshon Moreno
Clinton Portis
Thomas Jones (not many were praising him in prior years)
DeAngelo Williams
Leon Washington (3rd down back and not a 3 down type player)
Matt Forte (1 year player, let's not go down that road till he is proven)
Darren McFadden (what has he proven, though I like him)
Joseph Addai (on the outs...you don't draft a 1st round back if he is doing the job)
Brian Westbrook (special player, but always hurt)
Reggie Bush (great athlete, but hardly a great rb)
Michael Bush (what?, what has he done)
Darren Sproles
LenDale White
Beanie Wells (what has he done)
Marshawn Lynch
Cedric Benson (LOL. Until last year no packer fan woulda ever wanted him)

Cadillac probably belongs on there too. (LOL. Has been hurt. 1 year does not a career make)

Unfortunately, most teams have at least one of those guys.

"average"

Grant IMO is a stopgap. He is a marginal starter at best.

Grant is average. We definitely need a good line for him to be good. ty has never been on his bandwagon.

But, your list is highly speculative and you have guys that are no better (addai) and guys who are 3rd down backs (washington) and guys who have proven NOTHING (wells, bush, etc.).

You are better than this...and don't need to rely on this level of bs to get your point across.

[falco]

I don't think Waldo was saying they were all around better - just that each had some trait that Grant is lacking.

[Rastak]

I don't think Waldo was saying they were all around better - just that each had some trait that Grant is lacking.

That seemed obvious to me as well....