forget trying to guess the score, who's gonna win...

[gbgary]

PACKERS or minn.?

[PackerTimer]

Aaron Rodgers steps out from the shadow in a big way!

[channtheman]

Someone said you can't have a blowout every game and we really haven't had one yet. This is it. Pack wins BIG intercepting Favre 9 times and returning 3 for TD's.

[Waldo]

I think that we completely shut down AD, flood the middle of the field with defenders, leaving Al and Tramon all alone outside the numbers all game, and completely stifle their offense. Use Favre's pathetic sideline accuracy as an extra defender.

OTOH I think that the running game clicks this week and Grant runs for more than 125.

And AR again gets a big streak of completions going, like he has been known to do from time to time in his career.

[bobblehead]

Waldo, I hope you are dead on, except I want to shut down AP instead of AD.

Anyway, my heart is with GB and I voted accordingly, but if I had to bet my life savings on the game.......

[sheepshead]

Waldo, I hope you are dead on, except I want to shut down AP instead of AD.

Anyway, my heart is with GB and I voted accordingly, but if I had to bet my life savings on the game.......

His nickname is AD=All Day

[sheepshead]

This game might be too much to ask. But I like the Favre Implodes theory after some pressure and a Packer lead. I would take a split and we beat them on points scored head-to-head.

[pbmax]

I thought his nickname was Purple Jesus?

[MOBB DEEP]

I thought his nickname was Purple Jesus?

That too; beast...

[retailguy]

I think that we completely shut down AD, flood the middle of the field with defenders, leaving Al and Tramon all alone outside the numbers all game, and completely stifle their offense. Use Favre's pathetic sideline accuracy as an extra defender.

OTOH I think that the running game clicks this week and Grant runs for more than 125.

And AR again gets a big streak of completions going, like he has been known to do from time to time in his career.

The only thing I've seen so far in 2009 that even remotely resembles this is the fact that they shut down Forte in week 1. Then, looking at that, Forte has not done very well this season, doesn't even resemble the guy that we saw last year. He has 150 yards total this year with zero touchdowns. Now, in week 2, we saw Cedric Benson come into Lambeau and look like a cross between Barry Sanders and Earl Campbell... Which defense was real? Perhaps too soon to tell.

So, Waldo, I don't see this at all. Maybe the OL comes on and we see what we saw in preseason. Maybe the packer players get all fired up to show Favre that they aren't pleased with the prima donna act. Short of those two things, I would suspect that I'm not going to be too pleased with the game or its outcome.

[mraynrand]

I voted for ESPN.

[Waldo]

The only thing I've seen so far in 2009 that even remotely resembles this is the fact that they shut down Forte in week 1. Then, looking at that, Forte has not done very well this season, doesn't even resemble the guy that we saw last year. He has 150 yards total this year with zero touchdowns. Now, in week 2, we saw Cedric Benson come into Lambeau and look like a cross between Barry Sanders and Earl Campbell... Which defense was real? Perhaps too soon to tell.

Cedric came in, the busted out the U-71, and rolled up 40 yards on 4 carries on their first drive, after that or D held him to 101 yards on 25 carries, a respectable 4.0 YPC.

Contrary to popular belief, our D is not a static situation. MM and Dom couldn't simulate all the different ways that OC's are going to try to attack our D. Our D will continue to get better week after week as they get used to all the nuances. Cincy was probably the worst possible opponent, their line is built very different and their scheme is very different, and very used to attacking 3-4 defenses. Mn runs almost exactly the same run scheme as we do.

So what if it is too soon to tell. Does that mean slow play it like I'm scared to state an opinion until something is proven. Nope. I believe in our guys and think that they can do it. Especially since Farve sucks deep and on the sidelines. Dom can flood the short middle with defenders and take away AD's running space and Brett's throwing space. Nothing quite like 8 1/2 in the box to stop AD.

Why do you call yourself the Kool Aid Rat when you are one of the most consistently negative posters around here?

[retailguy]

The only thing I've seen so far in 2009 that even remotely resembles this is the fact that they shut down Forte in week 1. Then, looking at that, Forte has not done very well this season, doesn't even resemble the guy that we saw last year. He has 150 yards total this year with zero touchdowns. Now, in week 2, we saw Cedric Benson come into Lambeau and look like a cross between Barry Sanders and Earl Campbell... Which defense was real? Perhaps too soon to tell.

Cedric came in, the busted out the U-71, and rolled up 40 yards on 4 carries on their first drive, after that or D held him to 101 yards on 25 carries, a respectable 4.0 YPC.

Contrary to popular belief, our D is not a static situation. MM and Dom couldn't simulate all the different ways that OC's are going to try to attack our D. Our D will continue to get better week after week as they get used to all the nuances. Cincy was probably the worst possible opponent, their line is built very different and their scheme is very different, and very used to attacking 3-4 defenses. Mn runs almost exactly the same run scheme as we do.

So what if it is too soon to tell. Does that mean slow play it like I'm scared to state an opinion until something is proven. Nope. I believe in our guys and think that they can do it. Especially since Favre sucks deep and on the sidelines. Dom can flood the short middle with defenders and take away AD's running space and Brett's throwing space. Nothing quite like 8 1/2 in the box to stop AD.

Why do you call yourself the Kool Aid Rat when you are one of the most consistently negative posters around here?

So what if it's too soon to tell? Honestly, I'd feel better about this game if it were six weeks from now. I think the "D" will continue to improve, but it will be a slow process. In the short term, I think the Cincy game tells us they've got a ways to go. I don't think they fixed all of that in two weeks, but we'll see.

I lost my optimism for this team in 2005, with the personnel changes that year, and the decimation of the OL. Contrary to your viewpoint, I have not seen much consistent improvement in that line, and believe it to be the largest achilles heel on this team, consistently since that day.

I've seen some sporadic improvement in Spitz, I think he's the most consistent. Colledge, I have never been a fan of, and still am really not. Until two weeks ago, I thought he was a much better tackle than guard, maybe the jury is still out, we shall see. Tausch and Cliffy have definitely been impacted by this stupid ZBS crap, and by having young guys next to them continually for the past 3 years. Now tausch is gone, and they replaced him with the backup diet pepsi machine.

that's why I'm negative. I see little proof that's changing. When it changes, I'll be optimistic again.

Rodgers in my mind is playing lights out, behind this line. Grant is serviceable, IF, we have a good line, he'd be OK. I love the receivers and like Finley a lot. There is no reason for 3 fullbacks.

That's about it. Can't wait for Monday night. Really interested to see what happens. Who wants it more? I think that's what decides it, and I don't think the outcome is close. Just can't figure out which way it goes.

[wist43]

Just can't see the line protecting Rodgers well enough, and I expect Peterson to have a huge game.

Hope I'm wrong on both counts

[superfan]

Going into the season I figured these teams would split, each team winning at home. Haven't seen anything yet that would make me change that happen. Should be a close, entertaining game and a Packer win would be fantastic, but if I take the homer goggles off, I don't see it happening.