I'm saying it...FIRE M3

[MichiganPackerFan]

If we dont have a winning season you have to think that Teddy will be looking to replace MM. Is it for sure Cowher makes a come back next season? You'd have to think that Cowher and Capers together wouldnt be such a bad thing

First off, im not quick to jump on the fire such and such bandwagon, and Im not ready to do so yet. However, just the thought of Cowher behind the wheel triggers some thoughts of the big bad football that should be played in the nfc north.

[Cheesehead Craig]

I can see how some would blame the penalties on M3, but I think the Zebras, for the 4th week in a row, have not been very good. I mentioned a couple of weeks ago, I think the Zebras don't like M3.

If anything, his rookie HC year has a lot to do with it. I vaguely recall how he made some public statements that weren't too flttering to Zebras and I think we are getting payback for it.

this team has had more laundry on a game by game basis than a stripper working on a saturday nite. Its been like that for 2-3 years.

FLAG!!!

Duplicate use of a stripper reference on Packers4Glory in the same thread. Loss of posting priviledges for 2 hours.

[KYPack]

I can see how some would blame the penalties on M3, but I think the Zebras, for the 4th week in a row, have not been very good. I mentioned a couple of weeks ago, I think the Zebras don't like M3.

If anything, his rookie HC year has a lot to do with it. I vaguely recall how he made some public statements that weren't too flttering to Zebras and I think we are getting payback for it.

this team has had more laundry on a game by game basis than a stripper working on a saturday nite. Its been like that for 2-3 years.

Not only the second reference, but strippers don't have any more laundry on Saturday nite than any other nite. How long does it take to rinse out a G-String?

The amount of flags we got last night would clothe a couple dozen strippers.

[FritzDontBlitz]

Based on the post game comments Charles Woodson made about Favre I'm guessing they probably went into the game believing Favre didn't have enough left in him to whip the ball around like that. Their game plan was designed to stop AP and that's it.

I honestly expected Rodgers to match Favre TD for TD but he started holding the pill too long and running around like a confused deer instead of running for positive yardage or just throwing it away. Those 20 sacks may have begun to mess with his head a little bit.

EDIT: Silly me. I forgot this thread was about Firing M3.

Its probably just me but I thought that 4th and goal debacle was M3 trying to prove Aaron could be just as clutch as Brett. I would have taken the 3 points there.

[Chevelle2]

Based on the post game comments Charles Woodson made about Favre I'm guessing they probably went into the game believing Favre didn't have enough left in him to whip the ball around like that. Their game plan was designed to stop AP and that's it.

I honestly expected Rodgers to match Favre TD for TD but he started holding the pill too long and running around like a confused deer instead of running for positive yardage or just throwing it away. Those 20 sacks may have begun to mess with his head a little bit.

what did C Wood say?

[Packers4Glory]

I can see how some would blame the penalties on M3, but I think the Zebras, for the 4th week in a row, have not been very good. I mentioned a couple of weeks ago, I think the Zebras don't like M3.

If anything, his rookie HC year has a lot to do with it. I vaguely recall how he made some public statements that weren't too flttering to Zebras and I think we are getting payback for it.

this team has had more laundry on a game by game basis than a stripper working on a saturday nite. Its been like that for 2-3 years.

FLAG!!!

Duplicate use of a stripper reference on Packers4Glory in the same thread. Loss of posting priviledges for 2 hours.

just checking if anyone is paying attention

[FritzDontBlitz]

Based on the post game comments Charles Woodson made about Favre I'm guessing they probably went into the game believing Favre didn't have enough left in him to whip the ball around like that. Their game plan was designed to stop AP and that's it.

I honestly expected Rodgers to match Favre TD for TD but he started holding the pill too long and running around like a confused deer instead of running for positive yardage or just throwing it away. Those 20 sacks may have begun to mess with his head a little bit.

what did C Wood say?

It wasn't much, but here it is:

Charles Woodson said Brett Favre played well. "I didn't expect him to do that. I thought we would have played better but obviously we didn't and I give him a lot of credit. He played a great game and apparently he got his wish. He stuck it to us pretty good."

I highlighted the part I was referring to. It doesn't seem like much but reading it from Woodson makes me wonder how many others on defense may have let their guard down because they didn't see Favre as a real threat.

[mmmdk]

Coaches in the NFL get a looooooooong leash.

Not in a mans world; Premier League, Seria A, La Primera Division and even NBA.

I think it's the parity of the NFL that keeps the McCarthy's in the seat.

[bobblehead]

Without reading the whole post and against what I planned I'm gonna chime in as well. I had fully intended to rewatch the game and take the day before posting this exact thread, but since it is already started here goes.

Grant had almost the same yards in 11 carries as AP had in 25 (51 vs. 55). 15 runs not counting Rodgers scrambling, and 2 of those came right after College went down and MM gave up on the drive to regroup.

Two screen plays, one on the very first drive (play?) and another with under 2 minutes left. He isn't giving this OLine a chance. You can't line up in shotgun, empty backfield and expect to contain the D. These cats are pinning the ears back and coming at Rodgers with everything they got. ZERO fear of a screen or draw, or even a fricking running play.

Bubba Franks made a career out of them lining up in a power run formation, and releasing franks for the 1 yard score. We line up to run and then run, then when it doesn't work, we go shotgun empty backfield on fourth and goal at the two.

Gripe number two. The knock most of us have on BF is that in big games he gets over psyched and "ducks and chucks" at the first sign of pressure. We contained AP all game long only to go "vanilla bob" on 3rd and long. BF for all his faults will and did kill you when you rush 3 or 4 and flood the zones....PRESSURE has always been his downfall. You wanna blame this on Dom, fine, I'm not buying it anymore. Dom is Blitzburg, zone blitz, firesale sending 5 and even 6 guys. Yet suddenly his defenses looks vanilla and blah?? I don't get it, and I'm gonna say this whole vanilla on third and long MUST be the way MM wants it. We blamed bob last year, but I just don't believe its the way Dom would call it if he were the one making the ultimate decisions.

Yes, our OL isn't very good, and that is on TT and the players, but when you continue to abandon the run and take first down sacks because the D long ago stopped honoring it, you give the guys no fair chance. This shit reminds me of high school practice where 11 guys converged on the ball in practice cuz we heard the play call. Coach would get pissed cuz it would ruin the practice. I called 17 out of 19 plays correctly at one point based JUST ON FORMATION.

My best friend who watches with me was stunned when I nailed the fullback dive from the 3? yard line. Then when I told him watch, we are gonna line up in shotgun on 4th down so they can put 7 men in the end zone and we will be forced into a shitty pass either into triple coverage or worse outside the endzone...bingo, to finley at the 3 who got tackled at the 2.

Finally, my gripe is that he doesn't have guys competing in practice from what I can tell. He game plans, does walk throughs, but how often does he tell Jenkins to bring it against Clifton in practice. Same as my gripe about practicing indoors for a -20 degree game, you play what you practice. If our OL is in the habit of going through the motions in practice as we get "assignment sure" then when game time comes they are not going to be ready to competitively shut down a raging beast like Allen (or the barely above average guys getting 3-5 sacks against us). Sorry, but OLinemen need to play with attitude. They need to attack the DL in the running game and take the wind out of them so they can pass block later.

Most of last year and now this year we look like the most vanilla predictable non competitive team I've seen in GB since Randy Wright. We are lucky to be 2-2. If chicago doesn't blunder into a fake punt in their own red zone we are probably 1-3.

Oh yea, penalties. We earn our fair share, and now the refs are looking. Until we clean up the act we are going to get called for every ticky tack penalty possible. The games are not being officiated equally, but its our own fault, we EARNED the reputation, and now we are paying for it. That PI call in the CWood endzone pick would have never been called on a team with a "good" reputation. We now get called for holding penalties that the other team doesn't. I saw at least 3 holds minnesota DIDN'T get called for. Hell, an official standing 3 yards in front of Rodgers with a perfect view called a fumble on a play that blatantly was NOT a fumble (it was a safety which sucked, but how do you blow that call?) Not even close to a fumble...first his knee was down WAY ahead of the ball being loose, and second the ground blatantly caused the ball to come loose. He fucked it up two different ways, but once you got the bad rap, the officials see the game from a negative light.

Not much more I can say, I'm now onboard with those that are unhappy with management...not because we lost, but because of HOW we lost. TT hired MM so its on him as well. If we don't come out of the bye week and rip off 3 straight or so I hope TT pulls the plug on MM now. This team doesn't look like much of a team atm.

PS...how many of you would have believed we could hold AP to 55 yards on 25 carries and get blown out?

[bobblehead]

This was one of the best called games i have seen from MM. He had a nice game plan today. That first challenge was dumb, otherwise he called a good game. Penalties HAVE to end.

You were OK with Grant not being given the ball even though it would have relieved some pressure off Aaron, as well as give a guy who was running well that night more touches?

I thought it was a good mix, we saw the TE's get used, nicely executed screens and grant had a nice game. Rodgers had no time obviously.

We ran TWO screens, one for no gain. Unless i missed something.

[swede]

What's changing for me is not my viewpoint, but the landscape.

Following a very successful pre-season campaign and an ugly, hard-fought win against the Bears it seemed that this team was pretty good with only a few questions about Offensive and defensive line depth.

But we are are losing close games again and there may be no way to hide the fact that our offensive line is fvcked with no fvcking way to fix it fast.

The injuries on the offensive line have exposed problems with talent and coaching. Coaching can overcome a lack of talent. We ain't got neither. Think of the shit Larry Beightol used to have to wrk with and he managed to have something ready for game day no matter who had gone down.

TT won't fire MM. Murphy won't fire TT. Until the line is fixed this team will be no better than average.

8-8 this year.

[rbaloha1]

Lets wait until the end of the season. MM and TT get a one year pass for the Favre transition -- but not 2 years.

Penalties and players confused are a direct result of coaching -- MM must be held accountable.

[Scott Campbell]

Based on the post game comments Charles Woodson made about Favre I'm guessing they probably went into the game believing Favre didn't have enough left in him to whip the ball around like that.

I don't see it that way. They expected some pressure from the pass rush to yield some int opportunities. But their line kept him clean, and he picked them apart like most QB's would.

You can't let guys just stand around back there forever.

[mraynrand]

Based on the post game comments Charles Woodson made about Favre I'm guessing they probably went into the game believing Favre didn't have enough left in him to whip the ball around like that.

I don't see it that way. They expected some pressure from the pass rush to yield some int opportunities. But their line kept him clean, and he picked them apart like most QB's would.

You can't let guys just stand around back there forever.

The 49ers sent a lot of guys in the first half of their game, and Favre made them pay for their blitzing. They backed off the blitz in the second half and it worked better. I think the Packers thought they could do the same. Play good coverage and generate pressure with 3 or 4 up front. It was stunning that they were unable to generate pressure. Some of it was crappy individual effort, but some of it was focus on the run and screen, and several really poorly conceived schemes. The 7 second drop back had only three guys bringing pressure - and Kampman's 'pressure' was delayed several seconds in as he first dropped into coverage. On several plays you had lineman stopping their pass rush looking to cover running backs either because they were looking for screens or because they were in a zone blitz. But if you are going to dial up some type of zone blitz, then you have to blitz when you zone your linemen - otherwise there is no pressure. I can't believe they will play that way the next time these two teams meet. It did look like they thought that if they stopped the run, they didn't think Favre could beat them. They won't be thinking that next time.

[gex]

Based on the post game comments Charles Woodson made about Favre I'm guessing they probably went into the game believing Favre didn't have enough left in him to whip the ball around like that.

I don't see it that way. They expected some pressure from the pass rush to yield some int opportunities. But their line kept him clean, and he picked them apart like most QB's would.

You can't let guys just stand around back there forever.

Can some one who recorded this game please watch it again and note on how many plays Favre had 7-10 sec. to throw with not even the smell of a defensive lineman in his face. I recall about 4-5 plays and on some of them Favre was pump faking and the defensive lineman were letting up or turning around to run downfield.
I get the feeling from SC's 100th post about Favre having all day, that he is trying to rewrite the history of the game.
I didn't dvr the game, so I may be wrong and he could of taken a nap back there, but thought that was about 4-5 plays.