I'm saying it...FIRE M3

[woodbuck27]

I see no reason for the Packer fans to panic. Realistically they looked (look) like 'at best' a second place team in the NFCN. They trail the Bears by one game and have a victory over them.

Take the poor effort of the OL (against a very good Minny 'D') and arguably some mediocre ST play away, and the Packers played well Vs Minnesota. The Packers passed and rushed for more yards than the Vikings.

Certain key spots positionally need to show improvement. Aaron Kampman and Al Harris look lost. We need help at safety. Is it any wonder that Favre could take advantage of our pass defense as it is?

Back to Aaron Kampman. He looked lost at times playing linebacker. If he's up on the line Favre gets some pressure. He looks like wasted flesh as he's being used now. How flexible is MM to make adjustments in games or to a flexible scheme and also ensure that our running backs get their time? We need to take the heat off of our defense and keep our offense on the field more. MM needs to do his part to protect Aaron Rodgers.

GO PACKERS!

[pbmax]

Coaches in the NFL get a looooooooong leash.

Not in a mans world; Premier League, Seria A, La Primera Division and even NBA.

I think it's the parity of the NFL that keeps the McCarthy's in the seat.

I'd like to see some figures on this. But remember, Ray Rhodes got only one year and he was 8-8. Bill Cowher got forever and it took a decade for him to stop having alternating good and bad seasons. Paid off pretty handsomely.

The problem is, Ray Rhodes made some god awful coaching blunders during the season. When your team doesn't perform well, there's debate as to player effort versus coaching preparation. When the coach loses a game because he doesn't understand when to call a time-out, well there's not much to debate about that.

Agree. But mmdk's point was that NFL teams wait forever to fire coaches due to the same mechanisms that promote parity. Rhodes is an example where that did not happen.

[pbmax]

The entire second half went...AP for 0, AP for -1, 3rd and 11, 3 or 4 man rush, BF completes for 12 or more. I think worrying about AP busting a big run on 3rd and 11 is foolish.

Considering who we are talking about, I do not think the concern is foolish at all. I would absolutely want the much less talented receivers to beat me. But as it was clearly not working out, some adjustment was probably in order.

[woodbuck27]

There is no way on this earth that TT would fire 'his boy' anytime soon. MM has too much on him.

[Packers4Glory]

4 games.
Fire everyone.
Here we go again.
Sigh.

Get real.

Do you watch the games? Do you not see that for the past few seasons we have been killed by being one of the most penalized teams in football? Kinda hard to win like that don't you think? whose responsible for that? Its not a fluke because its gone on for more than one season.

[Packers4Glory]

There is no way on this earth that TT would fire 'his boy' anytime soon. MM has too much on him.

TT shouldn't be sitting too comfy himself. half assing the O-line isn't acceptable. His hardheadedness on signing free agents isn't acceptable. The draft isn't the only place where you can improve this team. Look at Woodson. you can get solid impact players. However TT would rather draft and dumpster dive in the FA/waivers market. you have to use all available tools and he refuses to seriously look at free agency to improve the club.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

4 games.
Fire everyone.
Here we go again.
Sigh.

Get real.

Do you watch the games? Do you not see that for the past few seasons we have been killed by being one of the most penalized teams in football? Kinda hard to win like that don't you think? whose responsible for that? Its not a fluke because its gone on for more than one season.

First, you would have to show a correspondence between penalties and losing. And, it really isnt' that easy.

For example, last year Tenn had 7.1 penalties per game to our 6.9. Gmen had 6.4. Pitt had 6.1. AZ had 6.3. Baltimore had 6.6.

So, our penalties last year were certainly in the range of half the successful teams in the league.

Looking at this year.

Teams that are successful like the Bengals, NO, Atl, Dallas, Philly, Baltiimore are at 6.2 or more penalties per game.

And, some of the most unsuccesful teams in the league are in the top ten least penalized: Carolina, Wash, Miami, cleveland...and seattle and houston. So, 60% of the least penalized are under 500.

Penalties are not the issue. Good teams are good teams..whether they are penalized or not.

[gbgary]

Teams that are successful like the Bengals, NO, Atl, Dallas, Philly, Baltiimore are at 6.2 or more penalties per game.

don't count dallas as a success. their three wins are over winless (at the time) teams with carolina just getting their first yesterday in 6-3 snoozefest. people here want romo's head on a plate and wade burned at the stake. they had to struggle to beat kc in ot.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Teams that are successful like the Bengals, NO, Atl, Dallas, Philly, Baltiimore are at 6.2 or more penalties per game.

don't count dallas as a success. their three wins are over winless (at the time) teams with carolina just getting their first yesterday in 6-3 snoozefest. people here want romo's head on a plate and wade burned at the stake. they had to struggle to beat kc in ot.

I hear you, but we have to, at this moment go by record. I deliberately only included sub or over 500...no 500.

That is the only way to measure success.

[bobblehead]

The entire second half went...AP for 0, AP for -1, 3rd and 11, 3 or 4 man rush, BF completes for 12 or more. I think worrying about AP busting a big run on 3rd and 11 is foolish.

Considering who we are talking about, I do not think the concern is foolish at all. I would absolutely want the much less talented receivers to beat me. But as it was clearly not working out, some adjustment was probably in order.

I'm lazy, if not I would go look and see how many carries RB's have on third and 8 or more this season as a %....pretty low I would guess.

[The Shadow]

right now we are lucky to have wone 2 games. whoever won the opener was lucky to win. that happened to be the Packers. Neither team impressed or looked very good.

this team due to the line and penalties is just not a good team. everyone knows you will only go as far as your O and D lines will take you. if either is suspect you're looking at a mediocre season and watching in January.

I've pretty much had it w/ management from TT down to M3. I don't think either are terrible but Neither seem to have what it takes to get to the next level. in fact it seems like we are regressing or staying in that mediocre range. I say regressing because the O line is decidedly worse than last yr. by far.

Big Mike can't seem to fix the holes or stop the flags from flying.

This is still a very young team, and I'm fine w/ cleaning house after this season if things don't turn around. Its hard to blame coaching for having crappy options to pick from on the line, however the penalties can be laid in M3's lap.

Quick!
Stop the presses!
Newsflash!!

[Packers4Glory]

This guy is not a NFL caliber head coach....I'm not impressed w/ his play calling either.

If you can't protect you need shorter drops and quicker pass routes.

End this mistake this offseason.

[Brando19]

[Packers4Glory]

I'm still saying it.

[mr_blonde]

If the Packers lose this game, and it ends up costing them a playoff spot; MCCARTHY MUST GO!!!!