Pack position-by-position*QB

[MJZiggy]

My assumption is that monkeys are mainly vegetarian, but if you make the pork just right, it might try a nibble, but don't expect it to be a main staple in the little guy's diet.

[Harlan Huckleby]

You could start them out with bacon bits, those are made from soy. Before long those chimps would be eating real bacon - mark my word.

[Tony Oday]

Wood I agree on the faine thing. it would have taken what a 4th rounder? However TT has to like Wells who reminds me of good ole bag of doughnuts! We have two real nice young guards that actually have skill and need to be coached up. Clifton should rebound this year and Tauch has been fantastic.

With the zone blocking it seems like we have the guys to carry it. I AGREE totally that I would rather have Whale and Hutchinson at guard! Heck I thought it would have been cool to sign Larry Allen for one or two years at guard However we are in a youth rebuilding movement. We needed to gut this team of older talent that didnt pan out.

I also reread my first post didnt mean to be that harsh.

[MJZiggy]

You could start them out with bacon bits, those are made from soy. Before long those chimps would be eating real bacon - mark my word.

But you would wind up with a sick monkey and vet bills can be really pricey.

[mngolf19]

the problem is not the QBs, the problem is WRs and OL. We'll see.

Exactly right, and maybe add RB. It's all about OL and DL. Without a dominant line on both sides, you will struggle.

[woodbuck27]

Buck, please go back and reread the FA articles. TT was quoted more than once saying that it's not like they were sitting around doing nothing. They said they were on the phone talking to agents. How do you know for sure one of those calls wasn't made to Faine's agent who politely (or not) refused the invitation to discuss a deal. You don't know what happened behind closed doors. And if the kids on this o-line gel with the vets, remember Tauscher and Clifton and Wells? and form a solid unit, I hope you will be ready to be seated at the table of crow.

Not MJ.

I am very clear in reporting, that I wanted Jeff Faine as soon as he was reported to be asking for a trade.That was soon after 'the Browns' acquired LeCharles Bentley fr. 'the Saints', and very early in FA.

Also - I again stress that I saw zero evidence that T2 tried 'in fact' to get Jeff Faine - a young and reliable player. A first round draft pick as well. A fit for OUR obvious need.

If you MJ, or anyone else, can supply me with just that, proof that T2 attempted to acquire Jeff Faine ,then I'll be satisfied that T2 did at least make that effort, but he needed still - to come away with him. Jeff Faine was certainly ready, if not anxious to leave Cleveland.

Where is that evidence? Anyone - that T2, tried to acquire Jeff Faine?

T2 tried this's or that's, without specific reference to the TRUTH of Record - mean diddly to me.

Do we have to necessarily wait for Ted Thompson's future book ?

Why I screwed up as a GM in Green Bay - and things I learned from that jk

[Bossman641]

Wood,
So you wanted Jeff Faine? For what position? Center or guard?

[woodbuck27]

Wood I agree on the faine thing. it would have taken what a 4th rounder? However TT has to like Wells who reminds me of good ole bag of doughnuts! We have two real nice young guards that actually have skill and need to be coached up. Clifton should rebound this year and Tauch has been fantastic.

With the zone blocking it seems like we have the guys to carry it. I AGREE totally that I would rather have Whale and Hutchinson at guard! Heck I thought it would have been cool to sign Larry Allen for one or two years at guard However we are in a youth rebuilding movement. We needed to gut this team of older talent that didnt pan out.

I also reread my first post didnt mean to be that harsh.

It's cool Tony. Let it go man it's ALL good.

If we can just get into what makes T2 - really tick?

I am - I believe in the minority here. A Packer fan that expects alot from this modern day Guru, and some want me to believe I should just trust him. Uhhhh !!

As a fan, he has to earn my trust and to date he isn't quite there. I don't appreciate diddling in the closet office types - way behind the scene types of people. I like people that are out front and searching with the fans (as should be his case) to give them - the fans the BEST possible product, in the shortest time frame possible.

I also don't appreciate a 5-7 year PLANNNNN, if that plan ignores players like Favre and Green - in on the long end of fabulous years , and still capable of performing at an outstanding level if given a REAL chance.

OUR OL this season and last, didn't give us that REAL chance. That's all too obvious to me.

Further, that this season if not last ,Ted Thompson must be held accountable for the performance of OUR offence and Team's record. The let's blame Mike Sherman thingy - is too old.

Ted Thompson needs to forget his PLAN, and get busy and make more moves before the season starts. We need help BIG TIME on the OL and at RB and WR certainly.

This is simply fundamentle, not any shocker of a brain wave. Simple stuff !

[MJZiggy]

Unless TT were to bring in players from either Denver or Atlanta, anybody he brought in would have to learn the ZBS in 3 weeks from playbook to on-the-field performance. Who's available right now that could pull that off?

[woodbuck27]

Wood,
So you wanted Jeff Faine? For what position? Center or guard?

I wanted him to replace Mike Flanigan at Center Bossman641, but if I recall researching him correctly ( it's been about three months) it seems to me that he had some versatility and could also work at a guard position and had experience in the ZBS.

At his talent and experience and considering his size I felt we should have gotten him, as all we had was not Junius Coston (check that) who will be depth at guard but Scott Wells and Chris White. Did any of you see Wells looking really comfortable, filling in for Flanny?

Im reading that Jeff Faine will likely start at Center for the Saints.

50 Faine, Jeff - Center - 6'03'' 291 lbs - born 04/6/1981 - 4th year NFL - out of Notre Dame University

[Tony Oday]

I think wells did very well. Like i said he reminds me of winters. not ideal size but a guy that will bite your finger in the dog piles

I think Faine would have fit as the center and Winters...er I mean Wells would have played Guard because he is more versitile.

[Bossman641]

Wood,
So you wanted Jeff Faine? For what position? Center or guard?

I wanted him to replace Mike Flanigan at Center Bossman641, but if I recall researching him correctly ( it's been about three months) it seems to me that he had some versatility and could also work at a guard position and had experience in the ZBS.

At his talent and experience and considering his size I felt we should have gotten him, as all we had was not Junius Coston (check that) who will be depth at guard but Scott Wells and Chris White. Did any of you see Wells looking really comfortable, filling in for Flanny?

Im reading that Jeff Faine will likely start at Center for the Saints.

50 Faine, Jeff - Center - 6'03'' 291 lbs - born 04/6/1981 - 4th year NFL - out of Notre Dame University

I did some research on Faine too and everything I read from scouts said that he was only a center.

Direct quote "He does not offer position versatility - strictly an OC."

So then you would have Faine starting at center. What do you do with Wells? You could move him to guard, but personally I don't like him as a guard. If you do that you have Faine and Wells lined up side by side, two undersized guys who are both susceptible to the bull rush. You've got to believe opposing coordinators would have a field day bringing pressure up the middle.

Your other option is to sit Wells and start Colledge and Spitz/Coston at guard. Is the upgrade from Wells to Faine worth a 4th round pick? Looking back at our draft that means we'd be without either Blackmon or Cory Rodgers. At this point I'd be fine without Rodgers as I don't like him at all. I think it's still too early to tell how good of a player Wells is, though.

[Rastak]

Packers | Arth released
Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:30:13 -0700

The Green Bay Packers have released QB Tom Arth.

[HarveyWallbangers]

The Green Bay Packers have released QB Tom Arth.

NOOOO!!!! My money was on Arth beating out Brian Wrobel as the camp arm.

[woodbuck27]

Ziggy:

POSTED: 8:02 pm EDT April 29, 2006

New York, NY -- (Sports Network) - The New Orleans Saints made a draft-day trade with the Cleveland Browns Saturday and acquired center Jeff Faine and a second-round pick for the 34th pick of the draft.

With the second-round selection acquired from New Orleans, Cleveland grabbed Maryland linebacker D'Qwell Jackson, last season's ACC Defensive Player of the Year.

In addition to Faine, the Saints received the 43rd pick of the draft, a second-round choice, and selected Alabama safety Roman Harper.

Faine will replace lineman LeCharles Bentley, a former Pro Bowl selection who signed with Cleveland in March.

Source: USA Today

Mar. 30, 2006 - 9:40 a.m. ET

The Browns have discussed trading Jeff Faine to five teams, including the Packers.

Mar. 29, 2006 - 11:20 a.m. ET

C Jeff Faine is reportedly interested in playing for the Eagles.

Philadelphia hasn't been satisfied with Hank Fraley and missed out on LeCharles Bentley. The Packers might also go after the former first-round pick out of Notre Dame.

Is that half a plate of Crow?