Packers Linebackers

[Sparkey]

Anyone who has dvr'd the game, you have to go re-watch the play where Favre had like 7.3 seconds to throw the ball. They show an angle from behind the Vikings line and if you watch Barnett, it is freakin hilarious.

He steps in, like a fake rush (but a terrible fake) then steps back a few steps, turns in a circle (lookin around like wth am I supposed to be)steps up then goes back again. Chiken with his head cut off type of play.

On that note, Barnett is not suited to play in a 3-4 defense. He is best asset is (or was) his speed and ability to run sideline to sideline and make plays. However, in a 3-4 the ilb's do not need to run side to side. They need to be agressive and meet plays head on and use their strength to attack. Yes, he lead the team in tackles vs Minny, but how many were 4 or more yards downfield ?

Barnett is totally miscast in his current role. In my opinion, the best LB group for the pack would be Chillar, Bishop, Hawk and Matthews.

Matthews shows flashes of what he will eventually be capable of doing, once he gets a few more games under his belt.

Hawk is now the lb that does the grunt work inside. So his tackle numbers will suffer, but he rarely is out of place.

Kampmann was a great DE in a 4-3, he currently a liability in Capers 3-4 (at least based on how he is being used at this point.) Chillar has shown he is a better blitzer, so far.)

[Deputy Nutz]

Re: Packers Linebackers

Anyone who has dvr'd the game, you have to go re-watch the play where Favre had like 7.3 seconds to throw the ball. They show an angle from behind the Vikings line and if you watch Barnett, it is freakin hilarious.

He steps in, like a fake rush (but a terrible fake) then steps back a few steps, turns in a circle (lookin around like wth am I supposed to be)steps up then goes back again. Chiken with his head cut off type of play.

On that note, Barnett is not suited to play in a 3-4 defense. He is best asset is (or was) his speed and ability to run sideline to sideline and make plays. However, in a 3-4 the ilb's do not need to run side to side. They need to be agressive and meet plays head on and use their strength to attack. Yes, he lead the team in tackles vs Minny, but how many were 4 or more yards downfield ?

Barnett is totally miscast in his current role. In my opinion, the best LB group for the pack would be Chillar, Bishop, Hawk and Matthews.

Matthews shows flashes of what he will eventually be capable of doing, once he gets a few more games under his belt.

Hawk is now the lb that does the grunt work inside. So his tackle numbers will suffer, but he rarely is out of place.

Kampmann was a great DE in a 4-3, he currently a liability in Capers 3-4 (at least based on how he is being used at this point.)

I am not saying that I don't like the 3-4 defense, but it seemed like our personnel is set up for the 4-3. Thompson made one move in the offseason to build the 3-4 and that was the drafting of Mathews. Raji could really be dominant in a 4-3, but he will be an ok nose in a 3-4.

I feel really bad for Kampman, he is so out of place and this isn't a critique against him, he has transitioned pretty well, but he is misused in this scheme. It is similar if the Vikings decided to play a 3-4 and moved Jared Allen to OLB. WHY? Thank God Kampman is a free agent next year because he isn't signing with GB to play OLB.

Hawk was on the field from what I recall 20 plays at most. When he was out there he was in position, made tackles on Peterson, clogged up the middle, and made a couple of tackles out in the flat on running backs. Hawk is are overall best linebacker, that is not saying very much but he has the ability to cover and play the run.

Have people finally seen the real Brandon Chillar yet? Because if anyone is on that horse still you are fucking blind. He did have great coverage on Charles Woodson on one play, I ain't going to take that away from him.

Barnett is not an inside backer in a 3-4. He needs two big bodies in front of him to keep blockers off of him. He and Chillar are running around bumping into each other, it is like the blind leading the blind into a brick wall.

Mathews will be all right, he made the biggest play on defense last night. Nice feel. Understands the game of football, once the pass rushing techniques come he is going to be an above average player.

Running downs the inside backers should be Bishop and Hawk. Passing downs it should be Hawk and anyone that can blitz because no one else can cover shit.

[Scott Campbell]

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Have people finally seen the real Brandon Chillar yet? Because if anyone is on that horse still you are fucking blind. He did have great coverage on Charles Woodson on one play, I ain't going to take that away from him.

[Waldo]

For how much Hawk's #'s are supposed to hurt.....

They're not.

He's #2 on the team in tackles, and has played a lot less snaps than Chillar, who has 3 more (and 3 more TD receptions given up).

Is there anything that Chillar doesn't suck at? At best the guy is ridiculously inconsistent.

[Zool]

Poops isn't good. I'm not sure he'd even get picked up if cut today.

Kampy is not looking bad but also not looking good. Just sort of taking up space. He does keep the RB's contained on stretches to his side though.

Matthews looks fairly assignment sure so far. I guess that's a compliment.

Hawk, if he was a mean SOB we'd really have something. He's always in the right place just doesn't play angry.

Barnett...anyone who reads here regular knows my feelings on ol' drag down tackle.

Chillar...nice fucking taunting penalty retard. He's as dumb as a box of shit.

Bishop...even with the spotty LB play he's non-existent

Its kind of a crap sandwich at LB right now.

[KYPack]

Good analysis there, Nutz.

The only thing I have to add is Brady needs to find the pine and put Matthews in there on all three downs. He's is green, but his mistakes are better than leaving a liability like Popp in there. Brady has no shed. he was better at shed when he didn't know what he was doin'. Now that he has the experience to know when he might make a bad play, he is tenative,he makes one anyhow.

Popp got his ass washed the hell out on the goal line. He knows they are gonna try an pin him on that play. He countered by taking a worse angle and really got drilled.

Matthews has tremendous feel and is an intuitive player. With Popp making negative plays, put the youngbood in there and let him learn that job now. CMIII could be a factor for us with the experience necessary to make plays. Lt's give it to him.

[Deputy Nutz]

I didn't even mention Poop. There was a reason for that. I think he played 5 plays on defense last night. Mathews and Thompson will jump him in the depth chart.

Poppinga is another example of playing a 3-4 defense with 4-3 players. Poppinga was a decent 4-3 strong side linebacker against the run. Now he is basically useless. Which is 90% his fault for being a mormon.

[Sparkey]

Re: Packers Linebackers

Anyone who has dvr'd the game, you have to go re-watch the play where Favre had like 7.3 seconds to throw the ball. They show an angle from behind the Vikings line and if you watch Barnett, it is freakin hilarious.

He steps in, like a fake rush (but a terrible fake) then steps back a few steps, turns in a circle (lookin around like wth am I supposed to be)steps up then goes back again. Chiken with his head cut off type of play.

On that note, Barnett is not suited to play in a 3-4 defense. He is best asset is (or was) his speed and ability to run sideline to sideline and make plays. However, in a 3-4 the ilb's do not need to run side to side. They need to be agressive and meet plays head on and use their strength to attack. Yes, he lead the team in tackles vs Minny, but how many were 4 or more yards downfield ?

Barnett is totally miscast in his current role. In my opinion, the best LB group for the pack would be Chillar, Bishop, Hawk and Matthews.

Matthews shows flashes of what he will eventually be capable of doing, once he gets a few more games under his belt.

Hawk is now the lb that does the grunt work inside. So his tackle numbers will suffer, but he rarely is out of place.

Kampmann was a great DE in a 4-3, he currently a liability in Capers 3-4 (at least based on how he is being used at this point.)

I am not saying that I don't like the 3-4 defense, but it seemed like our personnel is set up for the 4-3. Thompson made one move in the offseason to build the 3-4 and that was the drafting of Mathews. Raji could really be dominant in a 4-3, but he will be an ok nose in a 3-4.

I feel really bad for Kampman, he is so out of place and this isn't a critique against him, he has transitioned pretty well, but he is misused in this scheme. It is similar if the Vikings decided to play a 3-4 and moved Jared Allen to OLB. WHY? Thank God Kampman is a free agent next year because he isn't signing with GB to play OLB.

Hawk was on the field from what I recall 20 plays at most. When he was out there he was in position, made tackles on Peterson, clogged up the middle, and made a couple of tackles out in the flat on running backs. Hawk is are overall best linebacker, that is not saying very much but he has the ability to cover and play the run.

Have people finally seen the real Brandon Chillar yet? Because if anyone is on that horse still you are fucking blind. He did have great coverage on Charles Woodson on one play, I ain't going to take that away from him.

Barnett is not an inside backer in a 3-4. He needs two big bodies in front of him to keep blockers off of him. He and Chillar are running around bumping into each other, it is like the blind leading the blind into a brick wall.

Mathews will be all right, he made the biggest play on defense last night. Nice feel. Understands the game of football, once the pass rushing techniques come he is going to be an above average player.

Running downs the inside backers should be Bishop and Hawk. Passing downs it should be Hawk and anyone that can blitz because no one else can cover shit.

If they are going to use the LOLB to drop in coverage more often than rush, then Chillar is better than Kampmann. Is that a compliment ? Hardly. Sometimes it seems that Capers is trying to confuse the opposing offense so much that he forgets that by doing so, he is putting his best players in situations that they are bound to fail.

LOL, think about this. This coming offseason, Kampmann signs with Minnesota. (Allen, Williams, Williams, Kampmann) Would that be the sickest D-Line in the league ?

[Freak Out]

Why would anyone not a coach or a masochist watch a replay of the game? I was screaming/crying in the bar at the play you mentioned...passing downs were just maddening to watch. They keyed AP so well just to fall apart when Favre had the ball in his hands.

[Packerarcher]

Re: Packers Linebackers

Anyone who has dvr'd the game, you have to go re-watch the play where Favre had like 7.3 seconds to throw the ball. They show an angle from behind the Vikings line and if you watch Barnett, it is freakin hilarious.

He steps in, like a fake rush (but a terrible fake) then steps back a few steps, turns in a circle (lookin around like wth am I supposed to be)steps up then goes back again. Chiken with his head cut off type of play.

On that note, Barnett is not suited to play in a 3-4 defense. He is best asset is (or was) his speed and ability to run sideline to sideline and make plays. However, in a 3-4 the ilb's do not need to run side to side. They need to be agressive and meet plays head on and use their strength to attack. Yes, he lead the team in tackles vs Minny, but how many were 4 or more yards downfield ?

Barnett is totally miscast in his current role. In my opinion, the best LB group for the pack would be Chillar, Bishop, Hawk and Matthews.

Matthews shows flashes of what he will eventually be capable of doing, once he gets a few more games under his belt.

Hawk is now the lb that does the grunt work inside. So his tackle numbers will suffer, but he rarely is out of place.

Kampmann was a great DE in a 4-3, he currently a liability in Capers 3-4 (at least based on how he is being used at this point.)

I am not saying that I don't like the 3-4 defense, but it seemed like our personnel is set up for the 4-3. Thompson made one move in the offseason to build the 3-4 and that was the drafting of Mathews. Raji could really be dominant in a 4-3, but he will be an ok nose in a 3-4.

I feel really bad for Kampman, he is so out of place and this isn't a critique against him, he has transitioned pretty well, but he is misused in this scheme. It is similar if the Vikings decided to play a 3-4 and moved Jared Allen to OLB. WHY? Thank God Kampman is a free agent next year because he isn't signing with GB to play OLB.

Hawk was on the field from what I recall 20 plays at most. When he was out there he was in position, made tackles on Peterson, clogged up the middle, and made a couple of tackles out in the flat on running backs. Hawk is are overall best linebacker, that is not saying very much but he has the ability to cover and play the run.

Have people finally seen the real Brandon Chillar yet? Because if anyone is on that horse still you are fucking blind. He did have great coverage on Charles Woodson on one play, I ain't going to take that away from him.

Barnett is not an inside backer in a 3-4. He needs two big bodies in front of him to keep blockers off of him. He and Chillar are running around bumping into each other, it is like the blind leading the blind into a brick wall.

Mathews will be all right, he made the biggest play on defense last night. Nice feel. Understands the game of football, once the pass rushing techniques come he is going to be an above average player.

Running downs the inside backers should be Bishop and Hawk. Passing downs it should be Hawk and anyone that can blitz because no one else can cover shit.

If they are going to use the LOLB to drop in coverage more often than rush, then Chillar is better than Kampmann. Is that a compliment ? Hardly. Sometimes it seems that Capers is trying to confuse the opposing offense so much that he forgets that by doing so, he is putting his best players in situations that they are bound to fail.

LOL, think about this. This coming offseason, Kampmann signs with Minnesota. (Allen, Williams, Williams, Kampmann) Would that be the sickest D-Line in the league ?

Kampy is my favorite current Packer,I ahve been a big Kampmann fan since his rookie year. It will be a sad day if he leaves the Pack,but if it would happen he would still be a favorite.

[MichiganPackerFan]

Chillar...nice fucking taunting penalty retard. He's as dumb as a box of shit.

If the officials were not so one sided, they would have been consistent and called the same later on Allen.

[mmmdk]

Chillar...nice fucking taunting penalty retard. He's as dumb as a box of shit.

If the officials were not so one sided, they would have been consistent and called the same later on Allen.

Chillar; be a box of chocolate.

To refs: send them boxes of chocolate.

WILL DO, EH !?

[mngolf19]

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LOL, think about this. This coming offseason, Kampmann signs with Minnesota. (Allen, Williams, Williams, Kampmann) Would that be the sickest D-Line in the league ?

This is exactly what I am thinking due to MN and Kamp's interest earlier.

[rbaloha1]

Kampman needs to rush the qb close to 100 per cent of the time. Chillar and Matthews are playmakers that need to be on the field the majority of snaps.

[wist43]

Yes, the players are miscast... and Kampman will be sprinting for the door as soon as FA opens up next year; but, the change needed to be made IMO.

You can do so much more with a 3-4 than you can with a 4-3, although the transition is going to be painful from time to time. As I've been saying since they announced they were changing schemes, we're going to have to expect growing pains.

With the exception of this years draft class, they drafted all of their current players to play in a 4-3 - and most of them sucked in that... it is unrealistic to think that average, to below average players best suited for a 4-3, could be plugged into a 3-4 and expect them to excel.

Beyond that, I do have concerns about Capers... good coach, but he has a tendency to go conservative. In his defense, what we're seeing in terms of his conservative game plans and play calling could be a function of the miscast personnel, but I haven't been overly impressed with his job performance thru the first 4 games. Capers is no Rex Ryan, that's for sure.