Packers' Rodgers still a work in progress

[falco]

RG,

Do you think it is:

a) TT's failure to draft adequate talent for the line
b) poor OL coaching
c) the fact that they replaced 60% of the starting line this year and they need extra time to gel?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Vinny Testaverde....great QB.

[falco]

Vinny Testaverde....great QB.

didn't 19 scouts rank him at or above average?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Vinny Testaverde....great QB.

didn't 19 scouts rank him at or above average?

Average or slightly above is a far cry from Great QB.

3, repeat, 3 seasons with a 500 or above record.

[retailguy]

Vinny Testaverde....great QB.

didn't 19 scouts rank him at or above average?

Doesn't matter, because Ty doesn't think that.

Seriously though, how many other NFL QB's were brought out of retirement at his age, and played as well as they did.

My point was, and is, Testeverde was a completely different QB with the Jets than he was with the Bucs. I credit the OL for that turnaround.

However, it's more fun to make fun of me, than to see that.

[Pugger]

RG,

Do you think it is:

a) TT's failure to draft adequate talent for the line
b) poor OL coaching
c) the fact that they replaced 60% of the starting line this year and they need extra time to gel?

Against Cincy our young RT was horrid. When our LT went down we didn't have anyone backing him up so we had several guys playing out of position. Not having decent backups isn't unprecedented. Just this season the NYG didn't have anyone backing up Kenny Phillips so when he went down the Gmen had to sign one of our rejects = Rouse! Of course your O line is probably more important than your secondary but the point I'm making is most teams don't have adequate backups for every position on their team. NE has only some undrafted rookie behind Brady so I'm sure those fans are praying nothing happens to him like we do with Rodgers!

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http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/63965197.html

[retailguy]

RG,

Do you think it is:

a) TT's failure to draft adequate talent for the line
b) poor OL coaching
c) the fact that they replaced 60% of the starting line this year and they need extra time to gel?

Honestly, I've got no problem with the starting talent on the OL. Got a big problem with the lack of experience for the backups. I think that was an inexcusable failure.

I said a couple weeks ago, that I was unsure about the coaching. I really liked Campen as a player, but have no idea about the coaching. I've maintained that you can't get these guys to play well as a unit. If I'm right, you could easily blame that on coaching. But the big question for me, is WHY can't they play well as a unit? I just don't know the answer to that.

Clearly you have to be patient, when the entire right side of the line is new. Barbre played horribly that first week. He's been better since, but still not adequate in my opinion. When both Sitton and Barbre are new, you can expect issues. And you should.

But no plan for Cliffy if he gets hurt? That made things untenable this season.

I think, truthfully a big part of it, is lack of identity. We flirted with that stupid zone blocking scheme. We brought in a guy with two years of experience, and called him an expert. Then he left after one year. Then we relied on a guy with one season of experience (Philben), to continue the progress.

So, today, what are we? zone blocking? not really. Power running? no. WCO? no.... We brought in guys suited to run the ZBS, but now, we aren't really doing that, but we're looking for our RB to "one cut and go". That works, if there is a hole, but frequently, there isn't one.

Guess you could blame that on coaching too. But not sure that's Campen's fault. That's McCarthy, or Philbin. If I gotta pick, I pick Philbin at this point.

[falco]

Thanks RG. I agree with you.

Perhaps TT thought that the shifting of the line to DC-JS-SW was an acceptable backup at LT. I think he was proven wrong.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Vinny Testaverde....great QB.

didn't 19 scouts rank him at or above average?

Doesn't matter, because Ty doesn't think that.

Seriously though, how many other NFL QB's were brought out of retirement at his age, and played as well as they did.

My point was, and is, Testeverde was a completely different QB with the Jets than he was with the Bucs. I credit the OL for that turnaround.

However, it's more fun to make fun of me, than to see that.

Are you seriously lecturing me? As if you don't come on this board and regularly make fun of me? Get serious.

You said GREAT QB. You want to make your point, then make it...leave out the hyperbole.

Retirement: Well, since you haven't listed which year.

05: 1 td, 6 ints
03: 7 games, 7 tds, 1 int
02: 4 games started, 3 tds, 3 ints
01: 16 games started, 15 and 14
00: 16 GS, 21 and 25

Guess the facts don't really support you.

He was the same he always was...with ONE statistical anomaly with the Jets. His other GREAT year was 33 tds and 19 ints.

Testaverde was always the same, regardless of the line....bad decision making skills. And, their was always an excuse...including being color blind.

There was a reason that his talent sat behind kosar. Ten cent head.

[MOBB DEEP]

didnt read article but someone once said its VERY difficult to be a good qb on a bad team; and aaron MORE than did that last year so whatever

son's a beast and i now understand what whack as TT was thnkn since they saw him in practice and KNEW he was heir apparent. packers are blessed b/c thats RARE

question? is he better than mcnabb NOW?

[retailguy]

Thanks RG. I agree with you.

Perhaps TT thought that the shifting of the line to DC-JS-SW was an acceptable backup at LT. I think he was proven wrong.

Yeah, I think he did believe that. But when your coach says we aren't going to "position swap" anymore, and your backup LT doesn't take snaps there in the preseason, aren't you by default abandoning that?

I was absolutely blown away when we traded Moll. I didn't love the guy, but at least he had some game experience. For a backup, that's important. Besides he played significant snaps at LT in the preseason. I was convinced the guy was going to be the backup LT this year.

Yeah, we got something for him, which was good, but is there really a difference Mason and Smith? We likely stayed the same at safety and weakened ourselves at LT. Still scratching my head at that trade.

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He's a better player than McNabb in the sense of availability. McNabb is always hurt.

McNabb is one of my favorite players and a premiere QB when healthy, though. When both are at 100%, for this year at least, I'd take McNabb. He's getting older though so I suspect Rodgers will pass him up soon.

He may be one of the most underrated players ever. That Eagles team had a lot of success early this decade. Never could close the deal, though.

[MOBB DEEP]

He may be one of the most underrated players ever. .

QFT

Insane how his accomplishments are always minimized; FIVE nfccg's, 4 straight

[falco]

i think mcnabb is overrated...the media just wants a black QB to do well...