Chewy

[bobblehead]

Agree with Chewy and Butler's assessments. Requiring Kampy to drop into coverage is ridiculous. Scheme sweme. Rush your dominant pass rusher on almost every down.

Where are the Hawk apologists? Although Hawk is probably the most consistent performer its still not at the level associated with a first rounder. Recall some of the posters saying it was Vanilla Bob's fault for Hawk's performance. What about now?

Vanilla Dom. Accountability on the players be damned.

[ThunderDan]

Agree with Chewy and Butler's assessments. Requiring Kampy to drop into coverage is ridiculous. Scheme sweme. Rush your dominant pass rusher on almost every down.

Where are the Hawk apologists? Although Hawk is probably the most consistent performer its still not at the level associated with a first rounder. Recall some of the posters saying it was Vanilla Bob's fault for Hawk's performance. What about now?

AJ Hawk is second on the team in tackles behind Chillar with 3 less tackles. Pretty good for a guy who plays 25% less than Chillar.

No wonder why we are in trouble. Our sucky LB is second in the team in tackling.

[get louder at lambeau]

Hell, I blame Kurt Schottenheimer for the new safety's coverage problems against Minnesota.

Good point. I'd go so far as to blame Marty.

[Partial]

Agree with Chewy and Butler's assessments. Requiring Kampy to drop into coverage is ridiculous. Scheme sweme. Rush your dominant pass rusher on almost every down.

Where are the Hawk apologists? Although Hawk is probably the most consistent performer its still not at the level associated with a first rounder. Recall some of the posters saying it was Vanilla Bob's fault for Hawk's performance. What about now?

AJ Hawk is second on the team in tackles behind Chillar with 3 less tackles. Pretty good for a guy who plays 25% less than Chillar.

No wonder why we are in trouble. Our sucky LB is second in the team in tackling.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but looking at tackles for an LB is not a reasonable argument in my opinion.

[pbmax]

Agree with Chewy and Butler's assessments. Requiring Kampy to drop into coverage is ridiculous. Scheme sweme. Rush your dominant pass rusher on almost every down.

Where are the Hawk apologists? Although Hawk is probably the most consistent performer its still not at the level associated with a first rounder. Recall some of the posters saying it was Vanilla Bob's fault for Hawk's performance. What about now?

AJ Hawk is second on the team in tackles behind Chillar with 3 less tackles. Pretty good for a guy who plays 25% less than Chillar.

No wonder why we are in trouble. Our sucky LB is second in the team in tackling.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but looking at tackles for an LB is not a reasonable argument in my opinion.

And what would be reasonable?

[Partial]

Agree with Chewy and Butler's assessments. Requiring Kampy to drop into coverage is ridiculous. Scheme sweme. Rush your dominant pass rusher on almost every down.

Where are the Hawk apologists? Although Hawk is probably the most consistent performer its still not at the level associated with a first rounder. Recall some of the posters saying it was Vanilla Bob's fault for Hawk's performance. What about now?

AJ Hawk is second on the team in tackles behind Chillar with 3 less tackles. Pretty good for a guy who plays 25% less than Chillar.

No wonder why we are in trouble. Our sucky LB is second in the team in tackling.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but looking at tackles for an LB is not a reasonable argument in my opinion.

And what would be reasonable?

Not exclusively looking at tackles.

[Bossman641]

Agree with Chewy and Butler's assessments. Requiring Kampy to drop into coverage is ridiculous. Scheme sweme. Rush your dominant pass rusher on almost every down.

Where are the Hawk apologists? Although Hawk is probably the most consistent performer its still not at the level associated with a first rounder. Recall some of the posters saying it was Vanilla Bob's fault for Hawk's performance. What about now?

AJ Hawk is second on the team in tackles behind Chillar with 3 less tackles. Pretty good for a guy who plays 25% less than Chillar.

No wonder why we are in trouble. Our sucky LB is second in the team in tackling.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but looking at tackles for an LB is not a reasonable argument in my opinion.

And what would be reasonable?

Partial's opinion ?????

[ThunderDan]

And what would be reasonable?

Not exclusively looking at tackles.

Well that narrows it down considerably. Thanks for the clarification.

[Partial]

And what would be reasonable?

Not exclusively looking at tackles.

Well that narrows it down considerably. Thanks for the clarification.

Technically, it broadens your narrow vantage point.

oops

[bobblehead]

Agree with Chewy and Butler's assessments. Requiring Kampy to drop into coverage is ridiculous. Scheme sweme. Rush your dominant pass rusher on almost every down.

Where are the Hawk apologists? Although Hawk is probably the most consistent performer its still not at the level associated with a first rounder. Recall some of the posters saying it was Vanilla Bob's fault for Hawk's performance. What about now?

AJ Hawk is second on the team in tackles behind Chillar with 3 less tackles. Pretty good for a guy who plays 25% less than Chillar.

No wonder why we are in trouble. Our sucky LB is second in the team in tackling.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but looking at tackles for an LB is not a reasonable argument in my opinion.

And what would be reasonable?

My opinion...nothing else !!

[channtheman]

Agree with Chewy and Butler's assessments. Requiring Kampy to drop into coverage is ridiculous. Scheme sweme. Rush your dominant pass rusher on almost every down.

Where are the Hawk apologists? Although Hawk is probably the most consistent performer its still not at the level associated with a first rounder. Recall some of the posters saying it was Vanilla Bob's fault for Hawk's performance. What about now?

AJ Hawk is second on the team in tackles behind Chillar with 3 less tackles. Pretty good for a guy who plays 25% less than Chillar.

No wonder why we are in trouble. Our sucky LB is second in the team in tackling.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but looking at tackles for an LB is not a reasonable argument in my opinion.

And what would be reasonable?

Not exclusively looking at tackles.

I agree with Partial. I'm not a football guru and I don't know what other way to grade linebackers other than their tackles but apparently no one else does either.

To me it seems that even though Hawk is 2nd in tackles, he hasn't really made an impact much at all on our defense, and especially for being a top 5 pick.

[ThunderDan]

Agree with Chewy and Butler's assessments. Requiring Kampy to drop into coverage is ridiculous. Scheme sweme. Rush your dominant pass rusher on almost every down.

Where are the Hawk apologists? Although Hawk is probably the most consistent performer its still not at the level associated with a first rounder. Recall some of the posters saying it was Vanilla Bob's fault for Hawk's performance. What about now?

AJ Hawk is second on the team in tackles behind Chillar with 3 less tackles. Pretty good for a guy who plays 25% less than Chillar.

No wonder why we are in trouble. Our sucky LB is second in the team in tackling.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but looking at tackles for an LB is not a reasonable argument in my opinion.

And what would be reasonable?

Not exclusively looking at tackles.

I agree with Partial. I'm not a football guru and I don't know what other way to grade linebackers other than their tackles but apparently no one else does either.

To me it seems that even though Hawk is 2nd in tackles, he hasn't really made an impact much at all on our defense, and especially for being a top 5 pick.

I didn't say tackles are the only way to evaluate LBs, but it is the easiest and a 15 second search at NFL.com will get you the information.

But, saying there are other ways to judge LBs and then not mention one is silly.

Hawk is playing fine. Is he playing like we want a top 5 pick to play? No, but that years draft has turned out to be pretty weak.

[ThunderDan]

And what would be reasonable?

Not exclusively looking at tackles.

Well that narrows it down considerably. Thanks for the clarification.

Technically, it broadens your narrow vantage point.

oops

I concede this argument to Partial. Obviously he beat me if he uses 10 Emoticons after his point. If only I had done that first I would have won the argument.

[falco]

lets not let mraynrand anywhere near this thread...

[Guiness]

I didn't say tackles are the only way to evaluate LBs, but it is the easiest and a 15 second search at NFL.com will get you the information.

But, saying there are other ways to judge LBs and then not mention one is silly.

Hawk is playing fine. Is he playing like we want a top 5 pick to play? No, but that years draft has turned out to be pretty weak.

Mmm. And a 15 second analysis gets you...well, that falls into the 'get what you pay for' category.

Who was that LB we picked up as an FA a couple years ago? Played for Cleveland, I think. I honestly can't remember his name - but he led his team in tackles the year before, and the thinking was when he was surrounded with some other good talent, he'd be a great player. Turned out to be JAG, gone after one mediocre year.