Exactly how many free agents are enough?

[Bretsky]

Why don't you point out some of the successful free agent signings as well ?

The GM gets paid to make the calls; he is paid to either go after a well known free agent and pay the price (as evidenced by Woodson and Pickett) or he can bottom feed from the litter and have confidence in his ability to choose the right one (Roman/Manuel/Klemm/ Smith...etc)

If the GM feels he needs minimal help it's likely he will choose to bottomfeed, as TT has since year one. He seemed to get a solid hit with Chillar but has swung and missed with the rest the past few years.

If you are referring to my last post, then:

The talk was LT strictly. Ty didn't start that, but that is what it devolved into. Certain players were listed as free agents that we might have signed. Simply looked at the free agents at LT and examined them.

If you can find some good LT free agents that were signed...that we could have signed, feel free to post them.

ok; point taken

I thought you wre arguing against FA pretty much all together

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Why don't you point out some of the successful free agent signings as well ?

The GM gets paid to make the calls; he is paid to either go after a well known free agent and pay the price (as evidenced by Woodson and Pickett) or he can bottom feed from the litter and have confidence in his ability to choose the right one (Roman/Manuel/Klemm/ Smith...etc)

If the GM feels he needs minimal help it's likely he will choose to bottomfeed, as TT has since year one. He seemed to get a solid hit with Chillar but has swung and missed with the rest the past few years.

If you are referring to my last post, then:

The talk was LT strictly. Ty didn't start that, but that is what it devolved into. Certain players were listed as free agents that we might have signed. Simply looked at the free agents at LT and examined them.

If you can find some good LT free agents that were signed...that we could have signed, feel free to post them.

ok; point taken

I thought you wre arguing against FA pretty much all together

No. My original post is that TT has signed free agents...and many of them are just crap. Do folks just want to sign free agents because they are free agents? Manual, Smith, Roman, Preston, Walker...crap.

Top guys are top guys...woodson, pickett, etc. But the free agents we needed this year were a backup LT...and maybe a RT. But, without knowing TT's mind, how do we know he wasn't always going to sign Tausch.

A far better argument might be that of the free agents he signs, many don't turn out....but, that would actually require looking at all FAs and teams and comparing his success rate.

Waldo or Patler...got a project for you guys.

[esoxx]

Re: Exactly how many free agents are enough?

Ty has read repeatedly that TT doesn't sign free agents. Ty isn't convinced that is true.

Klemm, Pickett, Walker, Manual, roman, chillar, smith, woodson...

TT signed Roman?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Re: Exactly how many free agents are enough?

Ty has read repeatedly that TT doesn't sign free agents. Ty isn't convinced that is true.

Klemm, Pickett, Walker, Manual, roman, chillar, smith, woodson...

TT signed Roman?

I don't know, maybe he didn't. Would it make a difference if he had? Would that be a feather in his cap?

[esoxx]

You seem to thrive on accuracy so thought I'd help you out.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

You seem to thrive on accuracy so thought I'd help you out.

Roman was a sherman. Doesn't change the point of the argument, actually strengthens it.

Sherman had some COLOSSAL failures in free agency, Hunt and Johnson to start.

[woodbuck27]

The biggest complaint, and the only valid one in my opinion, is that TT left the Packers without a viable second option at LT, when it was obvious that Clifton was far from a sure thing healthwise. And that the option he did leave, Colledge, requires the Packers to go back to shuffling the OL...not to mention that Colledge might well be just unable to play LT.

The question that TT critics need to address, then, is what FA options did TT have for getting a reserve LT? Who were the FA backup LTs he chose not to pursue, and what are they doing now? I confess that I don't have any recollection of what the OL free agency market was like last spring and this summer and couldn't answer this question myself.

Overall I find the failure to put together a high quality OL to be the biggest disappointment of the TT era. But I tend to think the blame falls on player development (and thus reflects badly on coaching staff) rather than on TT's refusal to go out and buy OL depth. Dependable LTs just don't hit the FA market.

Well, off the top of my head (offensive tackles, not just LT's, I'm way too lazy for that):

Levi Jones
Orlando Pace
Stacy Andrews
Matt Birk
Jordan Black
George Foster
Jordan Gross - franchise? can't remember
Pete Kendall
Vernon Carey
Mike Goff
Chris Gray
Mark Tauscher
Seth McKinny
Jon Runyan
Tra Thomas
Fred Weary
Jon Welbourn
Kirk Chambers
Duke Preston - remember him?

Ok, I got the 1st 5, then I looked it up....

Also - Eagles traded for starting LT Jason Peters from Buffalo....

One other beef - Last season, we traded Williams - (I am fine with that). However, before training camp is even over, we have legal issues with Jolly, a back injury with Harrell, and something else, that I can't remember? KGB, maybe? Yet, we sought out ZERO help, even after Jenkins went down.

Can we blame him for that too, Hoosier?

By the way this can be factored in. Cory Williams is one of ther bright spots on the Browns 'D'.

[Scott Campbell]

By the way this can be factored in. Cory Williams is one of ther bright spots on the Browns 'D'.

Do you have a source on that?