Best team ever!

[gex]

Then people should "be objective" about TT, too.

This is what TT has done - totally divided this "Packer Nation" that TH87 speaks about.

There are no "two groups" anymore. I was a member of group 2, and not anymore. How does that happen suddenly? I don't even believe in this "group 2" idea anymore. I never thought there would be a day when I didn't support the Packers 100%, but that happened. And I will not be able to support the organization fully until Thompson is gone.

I agree with everything Nutz has posted in the recent weeks. And I'm not the only one. I just don't see the point in debating it with people who won't change their mind, just like I won't change mine.

The way I see it, Ted Thompson hasn't ruined the Packers. He has ruined Packer Nation.

Of all the posters who feel that TT wrecked Packer Nation, I wonder how many were Packer fans before the Favre era. My guess is that most if not all became fans after 1993 and, in large part, because of Favre. Whereas those of us who followed the Packers in the long decades BF (Before Favre) have other experiences and memories to draw on, and probably have an easier time envisioning the Packers without Brett.

I'm not saying this to belittle anyone. If you are of a generation that has only known the Packers with Favre as their icon, I can kind of understand why it would seem that something fundamental is now missing, and it would be harder to understand why TT or McCarthy would have taken the direction they did.

Packer fan since late 70's. Die-hard well before Favre got here. FC speaks the truth about the rift TT and his poor communication skills have caused.Most folks up here in da nortwoods will not shed any tears when he is shown the door. Then the healing of Packer Nation can finally begin.

[denverYooper]

One more thing, the 96 team is head and shoulders better than our current team, WHILE OUR CURRENT TEAM ONLY LOST BY 7 TO THESE VIKINGS.

Who were up big and let the foot off the gas.

I seem to remember them throwing a deep go when they were "up big". Seems to me like they tried to stomp on the accelerator and missed.

[Rastak]

One more thing, the 96 team is head and shoulders better than our current team, WHILE OUR CURRENT TEAM ONLY LOST BY 7 TO THESE VIKINGS.

Who were up big and let the foot off the gas.

I seem to remember them throwing a deep go when they were "up big". Seems to me like they tried to stomp on the accelerator and missed.

Yes, one play....that would have finished it so point well taken.....just missed it too.

[channtheman]

One more thing, the 96 team is head and shoulders better than our current team, WHILE OUR CURRENT TEAM ONLY LOST BY 7 TO THESE VIKINGS.

Who were up big and let the foot off the gas.

I seem to remember them throwing a deep go when they were "up big". Seems to me like they tried to stomp on the accelerator and missed.

I'm liking the sig you got goin on right now. Isn't it amazing too how many people tuned into MNF to see his debut? I think we have a star on hand!

[Bossman641]

Way way too early to even think of comparing the Vikings to the 96 Packers. Teams have been moving the ball on the Vikings. To their credit, they have stopped teams from scoring points but it's hard to play that way all year long.

[b bulldog]

The Vikings aren't even the best team in football this year. The Giants are clearly better, not even close, and the Saints and Colts are probably as well. As noted earlier also, the 96 Pack ranked number one is both offense and defense. The Vikings are a Dre Bly drop away from having a loss already and they will lose two of their next three.

[pbmax]

Then people should "be objective" about TT, too.

This is what TT has done - totally divided this "Packer Nation" that TH87 speaks about.

There are no "two groups" anymore. I was a member of group 2, and not anymore. How does that happen suddenly? I don't even believe in this "group 2" idea anymore. I never thought there would be a day when I didn't support the Packers 100%, but that happened. And I will not be able to support the organization fully until Thompson is gone.

I agree with everything Nutz has posted in the recent weeks. And I'm not the only one. I just don't see the point in debating it with people who won't change their mind, just like I won't change mine.

The way I see it, Ted Thompson hasn't ruined the Packers. He has ruined Packer Nation.

Of all the posters who feel that TT wrecked Packer Nation, I wonder how many were Packer fans before the Favre era. My guess is that most if not all became fans after 1993 and, in large part, because of Favre. Whereas those of us who followed the Packers in the long decades BF (Before Favre) have other experiences and memories to draw on, and probably have an easier time envisioning the Packers without Brett.

I'm not saying this to belittle anyone. If you are of a generation that has only known the Packers with Favre as their icon, I can kind of understand why it would seem that something fundamental is now missing, and it would be harder to understand why TT or McCarthy would have taken the direction they did.

Packer fan since late 70's. Die-hard well before Favre got here. FC speaks the truth about the rift TT and his poor communication skills have caused.Most folks up here in da nortwoods will not shed any tears when he is shown the door. Then the healing of Packer Nation can finally begin.

But how many people must be affected for a true divide to exist?

I have a friend who has been a Packer fan all his life. Native-born WI. His TV room is essentially a Packer shrine with a good percentage of the stuff being Favre-related. During the Viking's first drive he pulled down all the Favre stuff and at the first commercial put it in a closet. Its coming back out when Favre retires for good. And this is a man, who after a few cold ones will get misty-eyed talking about the games he has witnessed Favre play in. Season ticket holder, the whole nine yards.

He couldn't care less about Bob Harlan, Ted Thompson, Murphy of McCarthy. Its the Packers all the time. No one gets in the way of that. Not Favre. Not Thompson. The Packers. With or against, no one is bigger than the Packers.

Gex, FC and Nuts and others are no doubt aggrieved. But I am not sure the percentage is high enough to consider the fanbase divided. Certainly over the job Thompson's done, but not over the Franchise.

And I say this with respect for Nuts' point of view. This is my second team. The Browns left Cleveland and I couldn't stomach rooting for a different uniform. I adopted the Packers late. My allegiance is not the same level as my friend's. Its much easier for me to separate out the emotion from the rooting interest now. But for those I know whose emotions are still tied directly to the franchise, Favre has merely caused a headache.

[Scott Campbell]

Then people should "be objective" about TT, too.

This is what TT has done - totally divided this "Packer Nation" that TH87 speaks about.

There are no "two groups" anymore. I was a member of group 2, and not anymore. How does that happen suddenly? I don't even believe in this "group 2" idea anymore. I never thought there would be a day when I didn't support the Packers 100%, but that happened. And I will not be able to support the organization fully until Thompson is gone.

I agree with everything Nutz has posted in the recent weeks. And I'm not the only one. I just don't see the point in debating it with people who won't change their mind, just like I won't change mine.

The way I see it, Ted Thompson hasn't ruined the Packers. He has ruined Packer Nation.

Respectfully, I don't agree with you. Ted did the best he could in a really difficult situation. And that doesn't has to reflect on his overall job performance. I think he handled the Favre thing about as well as anyone could, but that's just a small part of building the roster.

In many ways Favre became bigger than the team. As ugly as the divorce has been, I think its good that were finally beyond that.

[ThunderDan]

Way way too early to even think of comparing the Vikings to the 96 Packers. Teams have been moving the ball on the Vikings. To their credit, they have stopped teams from scoring points but it's hard to play that way all year long.

Honestly,

I think the 09 Vikes would have been 4th or 5th best in the 1996 NFC.

You had SF 49ers, Carolina and Dallas also that were beasts.

[Deputy Nutz]

Way way too early to even think of comparing the Vikings to the 96 Packers. Teams have been moving the ball on the Vikings. To their credit, they have stopped teams from scoring points but it's hard to play that way all year long.

Honestly,

I think the 09 Vikes would have been 4th or 5th best in the 1996 NFC.

You had SF 49ers, Carolina and Dallas also that were beasts.

You are probably wrong, San Fran was not a "great" team, good but that was one of the first times that Young had got concussed. Dallas was getting old very fast and losing to Carolina was proof of that. Carolina was a long shot to even be in the NFC Championship game. A younger team with some talent, but I don't even think they made the playoffs in 1997, neither did Dallas.

[ThunderDan]

Way way too early to even think of comparing the Vikings to the 96 Packers. Teams have been moving the ball on the Vikings. To their credit, they have stopped teams from scoring points but it's hard to play that way all year long.

Honestly,

I think the 09 Vikes would have been 4th or 5th best in the 1996 NFC.

You had SF 49ers, Carolina and Dallas also that were beasts.

You are probably wrong, San Fran was not a "great" team, good but that was one of the first times that Young had got concussed. Dallas was getting old very fast and losing to Carolina was proof of that. Carolina was a long shot to even be in the NFC Championship game. A younger team with some talent, but I don't even think they made the playoffs in 1997, neither did Dallas.

Maybe I am. Here are the D stats:

GB 13.1 ppg 260 ypg
Car 13.6 ppg 298 ypg
Dallas 15.6 ppg 273 ypg
SF 16.1 ppg 291 ypg

Those are the top 4 scoring Ds in the NFL that year. Good luck winning if your D can only give up 2 TDs.

[SMACKTALKIE]

Way way too early to even think of comparing the Vikings to the 96 Packers. Teams have been moving the ball on the Vikings. To their credit, they have stopped teams from scoring points but it's hard to play that way all year long.

Honestly,

I think the 09 Vikes would have been 4th or 5th best in the 1996 NFC.

You had SF 49ers, Carolina and Dallas also that were beasts.

Maybe this can help you decide:

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/4668/measuring-minnesotas-potential

Minnesota Vikings: 1998 vs. 2009
'98 OFFENSE '09 OFFENSE
34.8 Points/G 31.2
51 Third down % 49
2.56 Pass TDs/G 1.5
3.88 +20-yard pass/G 2.80
1.31 +40-yard pass/G 0.40
101.5 Passer rating 104.5
28.1 Rushing att./G 28.6
0.88 +20-yard rush/G 0.80
0.31 +40-yard rush/G 0.20
1.06 Rush TDs/G 1.60
1.25 Turnovers/G 0.80
'98 DEFENSE '09 DEFENSE
18.5 Points/G 18.0
34 Third down % 33
2.25 Takeaways/G 2.4
2.38 Sacks/G 3.60


It's the only compairson to another team I can find.

Oh yeah, 5 PAGES OF REPLIES?! HILARIOUS!

[Deputy Nutz]

Way way too early to even think of comparing the Vikings to the 96 Packers. Teams have been moving the ball on the Vikings. To their credit, they have stopped teams from scoring points but it's hard to play that way all year long.

Honestly,

I think the 09 Vikes would have been 4th or 5th best in the 1996 NFC.

You had SF 49ers, Carolina and Dallas also that were beasts.

You are probably wrong, San Fran was not a "great" team, good but that was one of the first times that Young had got concussed. Dallas was getting old very fast and losing to Carolina was proof of that. Carolina was a long shot to even be in the NFC Championship game. A younger team with some talent, but I don't even think they made the playoffs in 1997, neither did Dallas.

Maybe I am. Here are the D stats:

GB 13.1 ppg 260 ypg
Car 13.6 ppg 298 ypg
Dallas 15.6 ppg 273 ypg
SF 16.1 ppg 291 ypg

Those are the top 4 scoring Ds in the NFL that year. Good luck winning if your D can only give up 2 TDs.

You're gay.

[channtheman]

Oh yeah, 5 PAGES OF REPLIES?! HILARIOUS!

WHy is that hilarious?

[Maxie the Taxi]

Best Team Ever?

1962 Packers -- 13 and 1, NFL Champs

OFFENSE

Bart Starr
Paul Hornung
Jim Taylor
Boyd Dowler
Max McGee
Ron Kramer
Bob Skoronski
Fuzzy Thurston
Jim Ringo
Jerry Kramer
Forrest Gregg

DEFENSE

Willie Davis
Dave Hanner
Henry Jordan
Bill Quinlan
Dan Currie
Ray Nitschke
Bill Forester
Herb Adderley
Jesse Whittenton
Hank Greminger
Willie Wood

K - Jerry Kramer
P - Boyd Dowler
PR - Willie Wood
KR - Herb Adderley

EAT YOUR HEART OUT, FAVRE!!