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[4and12to12and4]

Well, I fully believe that TT didn't address the offense this offseason because he and MM are convinced that we actually have one of the better offenses in the league. That may sound ridiculous, but is it, really? Last year we were decimated by injury. Everybody knows that. Heck, even before Green went down, there is speculation that he was injured in those first few games, and he finally blew his knee out which was already bothering him. So, let's look at it a little differently, maybe from TT's perspective.

Before last year, and the injuries, we had always been one of the better offenses in the league. So, my guess is that TT and MM think that we will be just fine on that side of the ball as long as Green comes back healthy, and even if only one or two of the receivers besides Driver shows up.

I mean, think about it, if Green comes back healthy we have one of the best backs in the NFL. If not, we have a couple of pretty good backups, as far as backups go. Not too many teams have two "excellent" running backs on their team, so why should we expect TT to?

We have a great QB at the helm, and his backup is now more experienced, so that's an upgrade from last year.

We have a great #1 receiver, and enough potential bodies in camp to ensure at least one should rise to the challenge at the #2 spot. Most teams don't have two "great" receivers, so why should we expect TT to have done that?

We have ample talent at TE, more than most teams. And, other than Hutch (who would've cost a fortune) there really wasn't much out there to go after in FA that would have been better than the rookies we got in the draft.

So, if healthy, it's not that far of a reach to think that this team is structured on the offensive side to be decent to good (based on the OL gelling quickly enough).

So, he improves the special teams and defense about as much as he possibly could, because those were truly our weaknesses last year. Is that possible? Could there be something to that, at all?

Probably not. Anyways, I will say that I wish he would've upped the ante for Vinateri (sp?). That is the one criticism I have of him. We may be in a world of hurt if these camp legs don't get real good real fast. However, that is ALOT of $$$$$$$$$$$ to spend on a kicker!! I can certainly understand if he had a number he just wouldn't go above. By the way, why didn't we go after Edinger. I thought he was pretty darn good. I mean, I know he botched a few last year, but so did Longwell. These guys aren't perfect, but I know that Edinger has a hell of a leg. He was still on the market well after Vinateri went to Indy.

[Bretsky]

OK, I have issues with TT. Here's a start.

Aaron Rodgers; I'll leave it at that (hope I'm wrong)

Bad Free Agent Choices last year; went into 2005 season with horrific options at OG

Was caught sleeping through first part of free agency and forgot we had 35MIL to spend and our OL was the biggest team weakness last year; simply put he should have done better in free agency with 35MIL to spend

Is taking us into 2006 Season with wildcards at OG once again.

Rodgers was a bad pick with much much better WR's like Demetrius Williams out there (Hope I'm wrong)

Gave Javon Walker away for way below fair value

[woodbuck27]

4and12to12and4 - Good post, nice slant.

Too bad T2 didn't sign Vinateri. Kickers like him and the former Ryan Longwell we knew before last season, win alot of games for their teams.

The offence sets it up and . . . BINGO Three to win !

A kicker has to be very good like A.V. . . . as automatic as he is.

We don't have that, as yet.

[Green Bud Packer]

mike shermans years as g.m. were as much if not more responsible for the packs 4-12 year as was mr thompsons one year as g.m. i'm giving the guy some slack for one more season and off season and then i'll rip him a new one if deserved.til then i'm gonna go with the flow and keep faith in ted.

[RIPackerFan]

A lot has been spoken about the O-line and lack of TT addressing it. Does the implementation of a new scheme - that only a few other team run, affect the decision. While an experienced lineman may be valuable, if you have to retrain him to the zone blocking scheme, what do you lose by training a rookie (who is cheaper and hungrier).

I think that TT and Jags picked out O-linemen in the draft who had some experience in zone-blocking and were mean - they will have to be with the cut blocks that they plan to do. And while a veteran o-lineman would have been a plus, it wasn't a necessity.

As far as addressing other pictures on the offense, I think the offense free agents and rookie pool was weak this year (especially at WR). TT has constructed most contracts so that next year, we should be one of the top money teams again, and we can address any offensive issues at that time, when the market is better.

[Bossman641]

A lot has been spoken about the O-line and lack of TT addressing it. Does the implementation of a new scheme - that only a few other team run, affect the decision. While an experienced lineman may be valuable, if you have to retrain him to the zone blocking scheme, what do you lose by training a rookie (who is cheaper and hungrier).

I think that TT and Jags picked out O-linemen in the draft who had some experience in zone-blocking and were mean - they will have to be with the cut blocks that they plan to do. And while a veteran o-lineman would have been a plus, it wasn't a necessity.

As far as addressing other pictures on the offense, I think the offense free agents and rookie pool was weak this year (especially at WR). TT has constructed most contracts so that next year, we should be one of the top money teams again, and we can address any offensive issues at that time, when the market is better.

I agree 100%. No matter what veteran guards would have been picked up they still would have had to learn the ZBS just like the rookies. They'd probably have a little leg up on the rooks, but not a huge amount.

[Noodle]

I can't believe that's the case. I'd like to hear what ND and some others with real line experience have to say, but I think there's a huge adjustment for a rook just getting used to the speed and power of the pro game. Additionally, technique is just brutally critical at the pro level, whereas guys could be much less precise in college and just out athlete the other dude.

And pass blocking will be the same in ZBS as it is under any other system.

So I'm thinking our rooks, good as they may be, are going to suffer some big-time growing pains this year, just getting used to the NFL environment. Not so with a good (this would exclude O'Dwyer) OL vet. So I think our failure to bring in a quality interior lineman is going to hurt us this year.

Next year, if our rooks pan out, we'll of course benefit for them having been bloodied. But I'm afraid Brett's gonna get bloodied in the process.

[KYPack]

I can't believe that's the case. I'd like to hear what ND and some others with real line experience have to say, but I think there's a huge adjustment for a rook just getting used to the speed and power of the pro game. Additionally, technique is just brutally critical at the pro level, whereas guys could be much less precise in college and just out athlete the other dude.

And pass blocking will be the same in ZBS as it is under any other system.

So I'm thinking our rooks, good as they may be, are going to suffer some big-time growing pains this year, just getting used to the NFL environment. Not so with a good (this would exclude O'Dwyer) OL vet. So I think our failure to bring in a quality interior lineman is going to hurt us this year.

Next year, if our rooks pan out, we'll of course benefit for them having been bloodied. But I'm afraid Brett's gonna get bloodied in the process.

I agree 100%. TT preaches building thru the draft, but we have not added a vet guard during this drought. A vet should be added for depth if nothing else.

I am not only critical of TT, but the entire part of our organization that scouts the league. The Packers brought in two of the worst vet FA guards last year. O'Dwyer was washed up and Klemm really wasn't a guard. That was the best our guys could come up with?

That was total bullshit and I don't see a big change in this area.

[RIPackerFan]

Colledge and Spitz don't look like "talent" guys, but more of technique guys. So I feel more comfortable with them, then with one of the rookies that were all talent.

Also, the ZBS has historically done more with less (see Denver and Atlanta). Now, I am not saying that an experienced lineman would have been better, but in the scheme of things, I wouldn't have traded an experienced O-lineman for Kampman or Woodson (who provides some needed depth at the DB position) - and to get a top O-lineman, we would have had to pay that much (how much did Hutch get again from the Vikings - Crazy).

[woodbuck27]

mike shermans years as g.m. were as much if not more responsible for the packs 4-12 year as was mr thompsons one year as g.m. i'm giving the guy some slack for one more season and off season and then i'll rip him a new one if deserved.til then i'm gonna go with the flow and keep faith in ted.

Ahhhh. That avatar of yours suits your post.

You'll - "Walk The Line". Cool.

Thatsaarealgud. Till the time comes, you can dig out and study that instruction manual on tearing new assholes,

Post some of that info. on here - will ya? Just in case.

I was on a Raider Board today, and those fellas are meaner than a polecat over Mr. Porter. Talk about tearing new assholes. LOL

I learned alot of new BAD language, on that site..

[GBRulz]

With all that money, you'd think we could have at least gotten a kicker...

In general though, FA wasn't all that great this year and I think TT waited too long to act on it. Wasn't he out of town or something for the first week of FA? Lots of new cap space for teams and minimal FA's to go around..... not a good combination.

[MJZiggy]

I wonder if he took his time because he really just didn't want most of 'em--though I'm truly sad we didn't get Vin. (may he have a season-long case of the shanks for using us like that).

[woodbuck27]

I wonder if he took his time because he really just didn't want most of 'em--though I'm truly sad we didn't get Vin. (may he have a season-long case of the shanks for using us like that).

If T2 was going to allow Ryan Longwell to walk, he had to go out and get at least, as good a kicker as Lonwell proved to be through 2004.

T2 really washed on that one. he has to get some DAM balls - come out of himself more.

I know I'm addressing this, to a solid wait and see Packer fan that will not allow doubt (yet0 to creep in regarding Ted Thompson's ways as OUR GM.

Sorry. I don't trust him yet Ziggy.

He may be a decent person, but can we survive his learning curve to be a GREAT Packer GM? The real Ted Thompson has to arrive soon.

He's not Lombardi - WOLF - Holmgren . . .and many are rightfully so, glad he's not Mike Sherman, but he's Ted thompson and he has em, so he needs to use em.

BALLS !

[MJZiggy]

He's not Lombardi - WOLF - Holmgren . . .

Maybe not, but he came highly recommended by two out of the three.

[woodbuck27]

He's not Lombardi - WOLF - Holmgren . . .

Maybe not, but he came highly recommended by two out of the three.

Good mornin' - Dear Packer fan sister.

Out hunting crow this AM early ?