Clifton = Done

[pbmax]

that's ok. TT has allot of errrm.........never mind

Compared to other GMs who have stacked their teams with awesome 2nd string Left Tackles.

believe it or not

not every GM has managed to assemble the worst o-line in the nfl

starting tackles or there backups usually don't give up 4 sacks a game

these guys are getting schooled at an unprecedented level, something is bigtime wrong. either its bad coaching, bad players, or a bad job by the gm. or all three. but our protection is an absolute joke right now

You are not looking at the worst line in the NFL. One of the worst pass blocking? Possibly. But there are 14 teams giving up sacks at a faster rate than this line.

i don't get what you're saying pb

packers had given up the most sacks coming into today, with a bye thrown in

i guess i don't know what you're looking at

yeah yeah fritz, don't try and correct me when i'm ranting

Packers are top five in pass attempts last I checked. That is why rather than a total number, looking at the RATE of sacks is more instructive.

Then, when you take out coverage sacks, that lowers the 20 total further. For numbers available as of last week, Packers allowed sacks 5.7 % of the time. That put them 14th in the league.

The NFL average is 6.3%.

More troubling for me, were the protection calls. Then the run game until the fourth (looked fine in the fourth but Lions might have been gassed).

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that clears things up

are you also taking out coverage sacks for all the other teams?

[pbmax]

that clears things up

are you also taking out coverage sacks for all the other teams?

Yes, or more precisely, the Football Outsiders are.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

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good stuff then pb

[Packers4Glory]

i really thought this would be a more balanced game, especially w/ the injuries to Detroits defense. I really didn't expect to run the ball so ineffectively early and have to rely on the pass, and if A-rod threw for a lot of yards it would be due to several big plays.

Cleveland can't stop the run to save their lives. If we aren't running the ball down their throat, then something is seriously screwed.

Hope Lang can step up and learn on the fly. at this point I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up being one of the best and most steady out of this group of lineman.

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hold on, i don't have a clue where their getting their info from

they have us down as only having 8 sacks through week 5

are they pinning the other 12 on rodgers or did they just miss those

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ok, that chart is very f'ed up

the run blocking columns are completely seperate from the pass blocking ones

if you look at green bay, they are ranked 14th for rushing. now if you keep going to the right you think you're reading the pass protection stats for the packers

but thats houstons pass protection in the same row as GB's run blocking. they are the ones with the 5.7% sack rate

you have to look for GB in the pass column, and you find them ranked dead last with a 12.6% sack rate. the next worst team is the bills with 10.9%

and the nfl average is still 6.3

so we are giving up twice as many sacks per attempt then the league average

PBMAX, YOU SIR, are wrong

[packerbacker1234]

Re: Clifton = Done

it looks like the gas might finally be out of his tank

he was having a very bad game before getting reinjured, which looked serious

if the injury is serious it might be a situation like tauscher last year

clifton might have played his last game today as a packer

Situation like Tauch last year eh? Oh, you mean that vet RT that just signed with us last week?

Yeah, what a bad situation. A year possibly to heal up and get the career straight, then come back firing.

It's just a matter of time before Tauch is back at the RT spot.

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Re: Clifton = Done

it looks like the gas might finally be out of his tank

he was having a very bad game before getting reinjured, which looked serious

if the injury is serious it might be a situation like tauscher last year

clifton might have played his last game today as a packer

Situation like Tauch last year eh? Oh, you mean that vet RT that just signed with us last week?

Yeah, what a bad situation. A year possibly to heal up and get the career straight, then come back firing.

It's just a matter of time before Tauch is back at the RT spot.

i ment it as we might have witness the end of a packer favorite in greenbay (clifton is a free agent this offseason). if its serious, he might not be back this season, and might not be resigned. so it might have been his last game in green and gold

just like what a lot of people said last years when mark got hurt

[Lurker64]

Before we give the Packers the "worst offensive line in the NFL" award, we should take note of how some teams have a really bad offensive line.

I mean fans of the Bills, Steelers, Titans, Cardinals, Buccaneers, Eagles, Lions, Seahawks, Lions, and 49ers could all make some reasonable claim to the "worst" title.

The Packers offensive line has played bad this year, but a lot of other teams have had some bad OL play. Who's the worst? I dunno, but we're 3-2 so it's better to be us than to be the Titans.

[denverYooper]

Have no fear.

10 games from now, we'll be talking about how great a draft pick Twanger was because of his play at LT.

[pbmax]

ok, that chart is very f'ed up

the run blocking columns are completely seperate from the pass blocking ones

if you look at green bay, they are ranked 14th for rushing. now if you keep going to the right you think you're reading the pass protection stats for the packers

but thats houstons pass protection in the same row as GB's run blocking. they are the ones with the 5.7% sack rate

you have to look for GB in the pass column, and you find them ranked dead last with a 12.6% sack rate. the next worst team is the bills with 10.9%

and the nfl average is still 6.3

so we are giving up twice as many sacks per attempt then the league average

PBMAX, YOU SIR, are wrong

mea culpa. I read the chart wrong. That is piss poor from stem to stern.

[Bretsky]

ok, that chart is very f'ed up

the run blocking columns are completely seperate from the pass blocking ones

if you look at green bay, they are ranked 14th for rushing. now if you keep going to the right you think you're reading the pass protection stats for the packers

but thats houstons pass protection in the same row as GB's run blocking. they are the ones with the 5.7% sack rate

you have to look for GB in the pass column, and you find them ranked dead last with a 12.6% sack rate. the next worst team is the bills with 10.9%

and the nfl average is still 6.3

so we are giving up twice as many sacks per attempt then the league average

PBMAX, YOU SIR, are wrong

mea culpa. I read the chart wrong. That is piss poor from stem to stern.

so I guess we can all still agree that our OL sucks again and Aaron Rodgers is lucky to not be on the IR with the line we put on the field

[pbmax]

ok, that chart is very f'ed up

the run blocking columns are completely seperate from the pass blocking ones

if you look at green bay, they are ranked 14th for rushing. now if you keep going to the right you think you're reading the pass protection stats for the packers

but thats houstons pass protection in the same row as GB's run blocking. they are the ones with the 5.7% sack rate

you have to look for GB in the pass column, and you find them ranked dead last with a 12.6% sack rate. the next worst team is the bills with 10.9%

and the nfl average is still 6.3

so we are giving up twice as many sacks per attempt then the league average

PBMAX, YOU SIR, are wrong

mea culpa. I read the chart wrong. That is piss poor from stem to stern.

so I guess we can all still agree that our OL sucks again and Aaron Rodgers is lucky to not be on the IR with the line we put on the field

I was trying to tell RG this today in the game thread. Today's problems looked completely different. Barbre still kind of drifts in space too much, but once he got his hands on his guys, he was OK. Colledge looked much better at Guard. Didn't catch much of Sitton or Wells. Cliffy struggled with the refs, but was OK is pass pro. Didn't do much run blocking.

But the biggest problem was protection calls. We got overloaded once and missed interior blitzes at least twice I saw. Could going from Spitz to Wells have caused protection calling problems?

[digitaldean]

Today with 3/4 of the Lions starting D-Linemen out, we still gave up 5 sacks.

One was on A-Rod for holding the ball too long. Two were blitzers coming untouched up the gut. Cliffy was having a horrible day. He had 2 that were drive killers. Simple things like lining up on the line of scrimmage are inexcusable. The false starts? It was like he was up against a Pro Bowler D-Linemen not the scrubs Detroit threw in today.

Maybe Lang will have to sink or swim for now. Colledge got beat like a rented mule on the LT spot.