Clifton = Done

[pbmax]

McCarthy said 2 were protection call errors. Rodgers same thing, though its possible they were not talking about the same two plays.

One was Barbre no matter the call. He let a guy fly into the guard tackle gap even though the guy he was watching was not coming. They got faked on that one.

[red]

the other might have been on colledge

there was one play where clifton clearly had his man contained, but for some reason colledge slid over to help him out.

the blitz came right through the giant gap that colledge left

[pbmax]

the other might have been on colledge

there was one play where clifton clearly had his man contained, but for some reason colledge slid over to help him out.

the blitz came right through the giant gap that colledge left

Rodgers said he missed one on the left side that let one guy come free for a sack.

[rbaloha1]

Lang has good feet and recovery. Unsure if he can neutralize Aleen consistently though.

[Noodle]

ok, that chart is very f'ed up

the run blocking columns are completely seperate from the pass blocking ones

if you look at green bay, they are ranked 14th for rushing. now if you keep going to the right you think you're reading the pass protection stats for the packers

but thats houstons pass protection in the same row as GB's run blocking. they are the ones with the 5.7% sack rate

you have to look for GB in the pass column, and you find them ranked dead last with a 12.6% sack rate. the next worst team is the bills with 10.9%

and the nfl average is still 6.3

so we are giving up twice as many sacks per attempt then the league average

PBMAX, YOU SIR, are wrong

Kudos for PB to admit an error and move on. That's a pro move there.

Anyway, the pisser about this is that OL has been a work on progress for three or four friggin years, and I still don't see the light at the end of the tunnel.

Twice the league rate on sacks? Pathetic.

So where's Waldo and anyone else who said we'd be fine on the OL. As Patler might say, stats don't lie.

[Waldo]

I forget where, but I've seen pressures and QB hits stats.

One thing really stands out about our line. The pressure:sack ratio and QB hit:sack ratio of our team is really out of whack compared to the NFL average.

Aaron's QB hits aren't really out of line with league average, nor are the pressures allowed by our line.

They've just given up a lot of sacks.

Wrap your mind around that one.

Most of the time when they get through, Aaron goes down. And he rarely gets hit after he throws the ball. He hasn't really taken a shot like Urlacher delivered since Urlacher gave it to him.

[pbmax]

I forget where, but I've seen pressures and QB hits stats.

One thing really stands out about our line. The pressure:sack ratio and QB hit:sack ratio of our team is really out of whack compared to the NFL average.

Aaron's QB hits aren't really out of line with league average, nor are the pressures allowed by our line.

They've just given up a lot of sacks.

Wrap your mind around that one.

Most of the time when they get through, Aaron goes down. And he rarely gets hit after he throws the ball. He hasn't really taken a shot like Urlacher delivered since Urlacher gave it to him.

That would line up with pressure from multiple people at once. Also, I think this is a factor that has gotten worse. Later last season and this preseason, his timing and movement in the pocket looked much better. He is now moving into pressure again along with holding the ball. Look at all the sacks he has taken trying to retreat and go wide to avoid pressure. He is getting pursued and caught when he does that.

[Noodle]

Good points Waldo and PB.

One thing I have noticed about AR is that he tends to turn his back to a pressure and tries to spin away. When he does this, he can't see down field, and, more often than not, he gets caught.

He has to learn to move forward and to the side rather than turning around.

[packrulz]

I don't think Lang or Barbre are that bad, I'm willing to give them a chance, they just need more experience, have the TE or RB help block if needed. M3 calls too many pass plays, everyone knows it.

[rbaloha1]

I don't think Lang or Barbre are that bad, I'm willing to give them a chance, they just need more experience, have the TE or RB help block if needed. M3 calls too many pass plays, everyone knows it.

Agreed. Young and aggressive with good feet. Appear to be keepers.

[Waldo]

I tallied up the pressure stats for all stable QB situations. The stats did not include this weekend, but:

Sacks per hit:
(the % of the time that the QB's jersey gets dirty where a sack occurs, as opposed to a dumpoff, throwaway, good pass, poor pass, etc)
1. P Manning - 12.5
2. E Manning - 16.7
3. Ryan - 20.0
4. Brady - 20.8
5. Warner - 23.5
6. Collins - 25.0
7. Shaub - 25.0
8. Garrard - 25.6
9. Rivers - 30.3
10. Flacco - 30.4
11. Brees - 33.3
12. Romo - 33.3
13. Cutler - 36.4
14. Delhomme - 38.5
15. Palmer - 40.0
16. Cassel - 41.2
17. Edwards - 41.9
18. Favre - 44.0
19. Orton - 44.4
20. Hill - 44.4
21. Sanchez - 45.5
22. Campbell - 46.4
23. Big Ben - 50.0
24. Russell - 53.6
25. Rodgers - 60.6

Sacks Per Combined Pressures:
(the % of the time that a defense that pressures the QB is successful in sacking the QB with that pressure)
1. P Manning – 5.1
2. E Manning – 5.4
3. Brady – 8.2
4. Ryan – 9.1
5. Shaub – 10.8
6. Collins – 11.1
7. Warner – 11.8
8. Brees – 12.1
9. Garrard – 12.8
10. Flacco – 13.0
11. Cutler – 15.4
12. Romo – 16.1
13. Rivers – 16.1
14. Palmer – 18.5
15. Sanchez – 19.6
16. Orton – 20.5
17. Cassel – 20.9
18. Edwards – 22.2
19. Delhomme – 22.2
20. Favre – 23.9
21. Hill – 24.2
22. Campbell – 26.5
23. Russell – 26.8
24. Big Ben – 27.1
25. Rodgers – 31.7

Interesting sidenote, Rodgers is the least hit QB per attempt after the ball is thrown, by a good margin. If Aaron is hit, generally it is a sack.

Combined Pressures Per Attempt:
(the % of pass plays the QB is pressured on, a pressure being a sack, hurry, or hit)
1. Ryan – 17.6
2. P Manning – 21.3
3. Orton – 22.5
4. Brees – 25.2
5. Big Ben – 25.9
6. E Manning – 27.0
7. Collins – 28.3
8. Flacco – 28.6
9. Favre – 28.8
10. Brady – 28.8
11. Palmer – 30.3
12. Campbell – 30.6
13. Romo – 32.2
14. Sanchez – 35.4
15. Delhomme – 35.7
16. Cutler – 38.0
17. Rivers – 38.8
18. Shaub – 39.6
19. Warner – 40.5
20. Russell – 41.2
21. Hill – 41.3
22. Rodgers – 42.9
23. Cassel – 46.5
24. Garrard – 47.8
25. Edwards – 48.8

[sharpe1027]

I don't think Lang or Barbre are that bad, I'm willing to give them a chance, they just need more experience, have the TE or RB help block if needed. M3 calls too many pass plays, everyone knows it.

Our run game just sucks that badly. I'll take more sacks and a win over less sacks, more 1 yard run plays, and a loss.

However, Quinn Johnson looked as good in limited action. I saw him getting to the LBers and really moving some people a few times, even if Grant didn't follow him.

[Freak Out]

Quinn Johnson looked as good in limited action. I saw him getting to the LBers and really moving some people a few times, even if Grant didn't follow him.

[bobblehead]

that clears things up

are you also taking out coverage sacks for all the other teams?

Yes, or more precisely, the Football Outsiders are.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

I don't care what some analyst says, our pass protection sucks ass most of the time. The fact that we don't even try to establish the run makes it worse than it might be. "we need to get that cleaned up"

[bobblehead]

I don't think Lang or Barbre are that bad, I'm willing to give them a chance, they just need more experience, have the TE or RB help block if needed. M3 calls too many pass plays, everyone knows it.

OK, Lang has been less than awful given he is a rookie and didn't get a ton of snaps to date.

Babre (who I was hoping would be good) has stunk like a dead fish. No defending him at this point. He is in his 3rd year, has been in the same offense the whole time and played RT all through camp. He isn't an NFL player. I would rather be lining Moll up at RT, he was better in limited time last season than Babre has been full time this year.