Ignorant question 2: What kind of West Coast do we run?

[NewsBruin]

Okay, I'm asking another question to show how distanced I am from my favorite pro team: What kind of West Coast (passing?) offense will we run?

The "WCO" tag gets used by a lot of folks for whatever they want. I thought that Green Bay had always run some version of it, although with variations (like during the Rhodes season, where Sherm Lewis added more vertical routes at Brett's request). It's one of those things that I can't tell by the name alone.

What do we know about M2's passing offense? Quick throws, short distances, TE/WR/RB emphasis? How many receivers do we have per play in our base? Do we have multiple reads or one key receiver per play? Is the receiver expected to make most of his yards before or after the catch? Before or after contact?Does M2 script a certain number of opening plays to see how the defense reacts?

I think with Brett, we'd do best with putting in some deep plays, even if we don't connect, just to lengthen the opponents' coverage. A pure WCO (at least, as I think it's supposed to be) may not cover all our talents.

[woodbuck27]

Re: Ignorant question 2: What kind of West Coast do we run?

Okay, I'm asking another question to show how distanced I am from my favorite pro team: What kind of West Coast (passing?) offense will we run?

The "WCO" tag gets used by a lot of folks for whatever they want. I thought that Green Bay had always run some version of it, although with variations (like during the Rhodes season, where Sherm Lewis added more vertical routes at Brett's request). It's one of those things that I can't tell by the name alone.

What do we know about M2's passing offense? Quick throws, short distances, TE/WR/RB emphasis? How many receivers do we have per play in our base? Do we have multiple reads or one key receiver per play? Is the receiver expected to make most of his yards before or after the catch? Before or after contact?Does M2 script a certain number of opening plays to see how the defense reacts?

I think with Brett, we'd do best with putting in some deep plays, even if we don't connect, just to lengthen the opponents' coverage. A pure WCO (at least, as I think it's supposed to be) may not cover all our talents.

If we tell you. We would have to track you down and well. . . you know. jk

[NewsBruin]

Oh, c'mon. I live in Alabama. If you tell me, the only folks who might know are the Saints and the Falcons, and really, that's not much of a risk right there.

[woodbuck27]

Oh, c'mon. I live in Alabama. If you tell me, the only folks who might know are the Saints and the Falcons, and really, that's not much of a risk right there.

Do you ever wear purple?

Ever meet a Dude named Rastak?

Is your favourite Movie - " The Vikings " ?

[NewsBruin]

No, and I haven't plundered in seven months.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Re: Ignorant question 2: What kind of West Coast do we run?

What do we know about M2's passing offense? Quick throws, short distances, TE/WR/RB emphasis? How many receivers do we have per play in our base? Do we have multiple reads or one key receiver per play? Is the receiver expected to make most of his yards before or after the catch? Before or after contact?Does M2 script a certain number of opening plays to see how the defense reacts?

That is the plan--to get back to a more traditional WCO. Slants, curls, throws to RB and FB. Shorter routes. Base offense will be two wides. Every play has a first read. A plurality of the plays the first option will be Driver, from there Favre will have checkdowns. The WCO is an option read scheme. There won't be a set pattern on many plays. The QB and WR will have to read the defenses accordingly and the WR will have options on his route--based on how he is being played, whether there is a blitz, etc. Because of this, it's a hard scheme for a rookie wideout to do well.

I think with Brett, we'd do best with putting in some deep plays, even if we don't connect, just to lengthen the opponents' coverage. A pure WCO (at least, as I think it's supposed to be) may not cover all our talents.

Agreed, but not too much. In the mid-90s, there weren't necessarily deep routes called, or plays where the deep receiver was the primary option, but Brett could buy time in the pocket and makes throws on the move. On those plays he often threw down the field. It was a tremendous weapon to add to the safe nature of the scheme.

[Deputy Nutz]

Harvey you did well.

Wide recievers have options with their routes, but there is a lot of communication between the QB and the reciever before the ball is snapped. This helps them get on the same page. Call the audible if you will, apparently something that Mike Sherman and Tom Rossely failed to believe in. We all know where it got them. Yes I know, a West Coast Offense without any audibles, dumbasses.

Now will McCarthy runt he same schemes as Holmgren or Bill Walsh? Probably not, he was not a student of the Bill Walsh West Coast Offense, he learned from some other guy. As you can see I forgot that guy's name.

McCarthy is going to rely on short to mid level passes, but more importantly he seems more dedicated to the run than that of the Holmgren offense.

[woodbuck27]

Harvey you did well.

Wide recievers have options with their routes, but there is a lot of communication between the QB and the reciever before the ball is snapped. This helps them get on the same page. Call the audible if you will, apparently something that Mike Sherman and Tom Rossely failed to believe in. We all know where it got them. Yes I know, a West Coast Offense without any audibles, dumbasses.

Now will McCarthy runt he same schemes as Holmgren or Bill Walsh? Probably not, he was not a student of the Bill Walsh West Coast Offense, he learned from some other guy. As you can see I forgot that guy's name.

McCarthy is going to rely on short to mid level passes, but more importantly he seems more dedicated to the run than that of the Holmgren offense.

Why are we hearing that the passing game will go more verticle?

I feel this is a contradiction of the style of WCO that Harvey so simply described.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Now will McCarthy runt he same schemes as Holmgren or Bill Walsh? Probably not, he was not a student of the Bill Walsh West Coast Offense, he learned from some other guy. As you can see I forgot that guy's name.

Didn't he learn from Paul Hackett?

[HarveyWallbangers]

Why are we hearing that the passing game will go more verticle?

The people that are saying it don't know what they are talking about. I bet it some national writer.

[Bretsky]

Harvey you did well.

Wide recievers have options with their routes, but there is a lot of communication between the QB and the reciever before the ball is snapped. This helps them get on the same page. Call the audible if you will, apparently something that Mike Sherman and Tom Rossely failed to believe in. We all know where it got them. Yes I know, a West Coast Offense without any audibles, dumbasses.

Now will McCarthy runt he same schemes as Holmgren or Bill Walsh? Probably not, he was not a student of the Bill Walsh West Coast Offense, he learned from some other guy. As you can see I forgot that guy's name.

McCarthy is going to rely on short to mid level passes, but more importantly he seems more dedicated to the run than that of the Holmgren offense.

Why are we hearing that the passing game will go more verticle?

I feel this is a contradiction of the style of WCO that Harvey so simply described.

If you review the quotes from the coaches it sounds like they are going to the quick slants/short high % passes rather than as many deep balls as in the Sherman era.

IMO this is good for Favre; I also hope they let him audible as in the Holmy days. I think it keeps the QB mentally sharper when he is expected to audible here and there. It baffled me why a veteran like Favre was encouraged not to audible under the Rossley era.

[LEWCWA]

Favre's main weekness is the longball. He has about as much touch on the deep (bomb) as my hairy knuckled aunt that just love cheeks!

[swede]

It baffled me why a veteran like Favre was encouraged not to audible under the Rossley era.

I was just started to get a little depressed thinking that it would be miraculous for this offense not to struggle while learning a new offense...

...and then Bretsky lifted my spirits by reminding me that Rossley is no longer here!

How sweet that sounds: "former offensive coordinator Tom Rossley".

That's like cutting fifteen feet of weeds off your outboard motor.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

Favre's main weekness is the longball. He has about as much touch on the deep (bomb) as my hairy knuckled aunt that just love cheeks!

ARE YOU KIDDING! Favre has one of the nicest deep balls in the game, were have you been the last 15 years?

[Harlan Huckleby]

ARE YOU KIDDING! Favre has one of the nicest deep balls in the game, were have you been the last 15 years?

I don't have an opinion on this, but the scuttlebutt in the press is that Favre has lost accuracy on his long passes later in his career.