Mark Chmura

[Chevelle2]

This is way off topic, but my friends and I were talking about Mark Chmura, and his alleged sexual assault came up.

As both of us were pretty young at the time, I don't remember what the general consensus was amongst the public/Packer fans. I know he was acquitted but is the general feel that he "did it" or no?

I was actually lived about a mile away from him at the time, and I remember hearing the chick made it all up, but I wanted to hear what you guys think/remember.

[sharpe1027]

Re: Mark Chmura

Regardless of what happened, he was an idiot for being in that situation at all. No excuse.

[bobblehead]

Re: Mark Chmura

Regardless of what happened, he was an idiot for being in that situation at all. No excuse.

QFT...Mark didn't touch any kids, but he was in a situation to get accused of it...fucking stupid. Grown men should get up and leave a hot tub when a teenage girl gets in...PERIOD!!

[Freak Out]

Re: Mark Chmura

Regardless of what happened, he was an idiot for being in that situation at all. No excuse.

QFT...Mark didn't touch any kids, but he was in a situation to get accused of it...fucking stupid. Grown men should get up and leave a hot tub when a teenage girl gets in...PERIOD!!

Well....that all depends what country you're in at the time.....but in his case yes...he should never have tubbed with the babysitter.

[Tony Oday]

Only time you are in a hot tub with teens is if there are a lot of adults around. Basically it should be like a family function rather than drinking at a parents house if that makes sense...he wrecked his career for it

[Waldo]

Re: Mark Chmura

I was actually lived about a mile away from him at the time, and I remember hearing the chick made it all up, but I wanted to hear what you guys think/remember.

I know the situation decently. My younger brother was friends with the guy whose house it happened at. They were in the same grade, but the family moved a little bit west to a new neighborhood with a fancy golf course (my bro worked at the golf course, and did at the time, I did for a summer while in college).

Basically, dad let his son and friends drink at the house (a common practice in Wi). Which they were, a smaller group (not a party), his son had some friends over, including some girls. Mark was a neighbor (I believe), that was hanging out with dad. The two groups mixed, unfortunately in the hot tub, though nothing happened. But, the girl had to tell everybody, and as the details came out, of course Mark was in a hot tub with a teenage girl who was drinking. Doesn't look too good on his resume.

But, he was neither the alcohol provider, nor did anything sexual occur. If he wasn't a famous football player, it would have been a non issue, the girl would have nothing to brag about and nobody would have cared.

Hanging out at a friends house, girls-guys, drinking, with a parent there and neighbor adult hanging with the parent, wasn't exactly weird when I was in HS, and I grew up in that relative area (to the east) and time (couple years earlier).

[Guiness]

Re: Mark Chmura

I was actually lived about a mile away from him at the time, and I remember hearing the chick made it all up, but I wanted to hear what you guys think/remember.

I know the situation decently. My younger brother was friends with the guy whose house it happened at. They were in the same grade, but the family moved a little bit west to a new neighborhood with a fancy golf course (my bro worked at the golf course, and did at the time, I did for a summer while in college).

Basically, dad let his son and friends drink at the house (a common practice in Wi). Which they were, a smaller group (not a party), his son had some friends over, including some girls. Mark was a neighbor (I believe), that was hanging out with dad. The two groups mixed, unfortunately in the hot tub, though nothing happened. But, the girl had to tell everybody, and as the details came out, of course Mark was in a hot tub with a teenage girl who was drinking. Doesn't look too good on his resume.

But, he was neither the alcohol provider, nor did anything sexual occur. If he wasn't a famous football player, it would have been a non issue, the girl would have nothing to brag about and nobody would have cared.

Hanging out at a friends house, girls-guys, drinking, with a parent there and neighbor adult hanging with the parent, wasn't exactly weird when I was in HS, and I grew up in that relative area (to the east) and time (couple years earlier).

I understand the situation Waldo, and it sheds a new light on it, given my own teenage years.

I'm not from Wi, but do hail from a similar 'sort' of area, about halfway between rural and urban, with a fair amount of underage drinking.

House parties were common, and I had a pool table in my basement...more than a few brews were drank there. My parents were upstairs, and mostly turned a blind eye to it. The 'bar' crowd wasn't welcome. And I remember other times when an adult would show up at these parties.

The more I think about it though, I do actually still think he was out of line. I remember one time when a couple of HS teachers showed up and smoked a bit of weed at a house party that was being held while the parents were away...and that didn't go over too well, they actually got in a fair amount of trouble, although they didn't provide the weed, or do anything 'wrong' either. If he wanted to poke his head in to check on his neighbour's house, but didn't want to break it up, ok. Even if he wanted to try and be 'cool' and sit at the kitchen table and have a beer, fine. But to change into a suit and get into a hot tub...nope, over the line.

[Waldo]

Re: Mark Chmura

But to change into a suit and get into a hot tub...nope, over the line.

I'm pretty sure that it was the other way around.

The kids came second.

[Guiness]

Ok, now I'm following you...

The two groups mixed I glossed over that part. From the story that hit the press, I don't remember there being mention of any other adults present.

Not that a reporter would purposely forget to mention that in order to sensationalize or anything...

[Noodle]

I'm not looking to scortch Chewy, but you're leaving out the part where he and the girl were in a locked bathroom together. That's where the assault alllegedly took place.

As the foreman of the jury said: "We all agreed that they were in the bathroom together, but we don't really know what took place." Another juror said "None of us believe nothng happened. We all believed something happended in there. But we had no evidence to prove it."

To my knowledge, there was not much, if any, physical evidence of an assault. There was also a big issue of consent. The girl was of age, and she had been warned by another kid not to go in the bathroom with Chewy, which she just smiled about.

Finally, I think the evidence at trial was that the kids were at the house, and Chewy showed up buzzed with the house owner and kind of made himself part of the party, stripping to his boxers to get in the hot tub.

So this was a little more than being at the wrong place at the wrong time.

Waldo, did you hear it differently? Does the owner's bro say that Chewy was never in the bathroom?

[Waldo]

I'm not looking to scortch Chewy, but you're leaving out the part where he and the girl were in a locked bathroom together. That's where the assault alllegedly took place.

As the foreman of the jury said: "We all agreed that they were in the bathroom together, but we don't really know what took place." Another juror said "None of us believe nothng happened. We all believed something happended in there. But we had no evidence to prove it."

To my knowledge, there was not much, if any, physical evidence of an assault. There was also a big issue of consent. The girl was of age, and she had been warned by another kid not to go in the bathroom with Chewy, which she just smiled about.

Finally, I think the evidence at trial was that the kids were at the house, and Chewy showed up buzzed with the house owner and kind of made himself part of the party, stripping to his boxers to get in the hot tub.

So this was a little more than being at the wrong place at the wrong time.

Waldo, did you hear it differently? Does the owner's bro say that Chewy was never in the bathroom?

Oh I don't know. Haven't heard the story told for a very long time. That was the general way it was explained to me. He was there with dad, kids were doing their own thing, and they mixed at the hot tub, dad and Mark were there first. Mark was a neighbor guy hanging with dad.

My bro was not there, but heard it told from the son of the owner of the house. And I heard it from him.

I didn't actually live in Wi at the time, and didn't follow so intently back then, so I didn't really know anything about the case. My only knowledge of the story comes from my Bro's account.

Honestly I've never even heard of the bathroom thing. Couldn't tell you.

The gist of how it was explained to me was basically a wrong place at the wrong time thing. Trouble came to him and he didn't have the good sense to walk away. That him being a football player was the only reason this was even a story.

[imscott72]

Re: Mark Chmura

Regardless of what happened, he was an idiot for being in that situation at all. No excuse.

Grown men should get up and leave a hot tub when a teenage girl gets in...PERIOD!!

Just like any of us would do at a party right? Keep in mind teenage girls can be 18-19. If you're talking about 13-14-15 then I totally agree..

[Deputy Nutz]

I'm not looking to scortch Chewy, but you're leaving out the part where he and the girl were in a locked bathroom together. That's where the assault alllegedly took place.

As the foreman of the jury said: "We all agreed that they were in the bathroom together, but we don't really know what took place." Another juror said "None of us believe nothng happened. We all believed something happended in there. But we had no evidence to prove it."

To my knowledge, there was not much, if any, physical evidence of an assault. There was also a big issue of consent. The girl was of age, and she had been warned by another kid not to go in the bathroom with Chewy, which she just smiled about.

Finally, I think the evidence at trial was that the kids were at the house, and Chewy showed up buzzed with the house owner and kind of made himself part of the party, stripping to his boxers to get in the hot tub.

So this was a little more than being at the wrong place at the wrong time.

Waldo, did you hear it differently? Does the owner's bro say that Chewy was never in the bathroom?

Oh I don't know. Haven't heard the story told for a very long time. That was the general way it was explained to me. He was there with dad, kids were doing their own thing, and they mixed at the hot tub, dad and Mark were there first. Mark was a neighbor guy hanging with dad.

My bro was not there, but heard it told from the son of the owner of the house. And I heard it from him.

I didn't actually live in Wi at the time, and didn't follow so intently back then, so I didn't really know anything about the case. My only knowledge of the story comes from my Bro's account.

Honestly I've never even heard of the bathroom thing. Couldn't tell you.

The gist of how it was explained to me was basically a wrong place at the wrong time thing. Trouble came to him and he didn't have the good sense to walk away. That him being a football player was the only reason this was even a story.

Well the way you are explaining it is not exactly the same way it was explained to me by someone actually at the party, and also a police officer that was not directly envolved in the case. I could get into it, but really? The facts were that the host's dad, Chewy, and one other adult male were in a hot tub with high school girls. Heavy flirting was going on, possible petting sitting on laps. Chmura did get out of the hot tub at one point to change, he went into a bathroom. The girl followed, she was told by a young man at the party that Chmura was in the bathroom and she told him, "yes I know". Then she slipped passed him and went into the bathroom and shut the door. So read into that what you will. I might be just as full of shit as the story Waldo told but I wasn't there, Waldo wasn't there, and until someone pops up here that was there, or was Mark Chmura, or the girl, it doesn't really matter, he was found not guilty, his football career was over at the point anyways due to neck injury.

[rbaloha1]

Watched the entire trial on court tv. The girl entered the bathroom with Chewy uninvited.

It was alleged, Chewy raped this girl because her hymen was broken. This girl was a virgin and ran around with a pack of virgin girls.

The girl was "rescued" by her friends when they were unable to locate her. Her friends asked her what happened. In order to protect her reputation and not appear to be a slut made-up the rape story. It was easily disproved because in a few minutes Chewy allegedly penetrated her and completely dressed himself. Impossible.

On a side note: Chewy also invited Winters, Butler and Favre. All declined.

BTW the girl had a teenage crush on Chewy.

[Brandon494]

Re: Mark Chmura

Regardless of what happened, he was an idiot for being in that situation at all. No excuse.

QFT...Mark didn't touch any kids, but he was in a situation to get accused of it...fucking stupid. Grown men should get up and leave a hot tub when a teenage girl gets in...PERIOD!!

That's what I love about these high school girls, man. I get older, they stay the same age