Chew on this Hawk Lovers!

[Brandon494]

Still waiting for someone to name a Packer Cap Casualty since Darren Sharper in the 2005 offseason. Every year they have a list of cap casualties and its wrong. Every year they predict someone isn't going to get a contract adjustment. But Driver and Harris do (Driver twice).

This doesn't even begin to address the very real possibility that there will be no cap in 2010. At which point the discussion is almost moot.

ND, I don't disagree with you, I have no idea if he will be cut, but I don't think the coaching staff is sky high on him either.

PB, again, I don't know if I'd call him a cap causality as they have plenty of cap space. Say they resign Chillar, Bishop takes another step forward, they keep Barnett (better than Hawk) and draft an ILB that falls to the bottom of the first round (we'll say projected top 10 guy). Is Hawk still a lock in that case? I can't say with confidence that he is.

If he plays like he did yesterday, then yes, he will be. If he plays like he did for much of last year and much of this year, than he may not be.

Anything is possible. But I think they will first go OLB on defense well before another ILB. Until they feel the need to replace Barnett or if Chillar is too costly, then I can see an ILB. But that will tend to push Chillar/Barnett out not Hawk. The vets he cuts are replacement level and expensive, even in his poor games, Hawk is better than that.

I doubt they will even draft a LB on the first day next season. We need to improve our safety and corner depth before we think about drafting a LB.

[ND72]

Still waiting for someone to name a Packer Cap Casualty since Darren Sharper in the 2005 offseason. Every year they have a list of cap casualties and its wrong. Every year they predict someone isn't going to get a contract adjustment. But Driver and Harris do (Driver twice).

This doesn't even begin to address the very real possibility that there will be no cap in 2010. At which point the discussion is almost moot.

ND, I don't disagree with you, I have no idea if he will be cut, but I don't think the coaching staff is sky high on him either.

PB, again, I don't know if I'd call him a cap causality as they have plenty of cap space. Say they resign Chillar, Bishop takes another step forward, they keep Barnett (better than Hawk) and draft an ILB that falls to the bottom of the first round (we'll say projected top 10 guy). Is Hawk still a lock in that case? I can't say with confidence that he is.

If he plays like he did yesterday, then yes, he will be. If he plays like he did for much of last year and much of this year, than he may not be.

Anything is possible. But I think they will first go OLB on defense well before another ILB. Until they feel the need to replace Barnett or if Chillar is too costly, then I can see an ILB. But that will tend to push Chillar/Barnett out not Hawk. The vets he cuts are replacement level and expensive, even in his poor games, Hawk is better than that.

I doubt they will even draft a LB on the first day next season. We need to improve our safety and corner depth before we think about drafting a LB.

First day being Thursday next year.....Wasn't a fan of that, until I saw my annual state conference is the Draft weekend, so I'm cool now with the Thursday/Friday/Saturday thing now.

[MJZiggy]

I'm finding Jon Gruden's voice to be oddly irritating. Kind of what I imagine jock itch would be like...

And I'm finding it oddly irritating that you are imagining what jock itch would be like.....

Not the happiest thought I've had all day...

[Zool]

Anyway I'm done with this topic,

Id hate to see what would happen if you weren't "done with this topic".

[ThunderDan]

Let's see..... every story you read in a paper about the NFL comes true. Are you that blinded about Hawk that the report could be completely wrong? If Hawk plays in the last 10 games, like last week, would you ask him as GM to take a pay cut?

I'm sure 6 games into the 2009 season TT and MM have already desided who is going to get paid their money and who is going to take a pay cut. I mean if Hawk has to take a cut GJ with 22 catches and 1 TD isn't playing to his new contact and needs a pay cut.

Never said anything about the story being true or not, just a reference. Then you bring up a article written by another columnist that has nothing to do with the topic to try to make a point.

AJ Hawk did have a good game against the Browns, do you really expect him to play that well all season? I hope he does but I surely doubt it. Also why are you trying to bring GJ into the discussion, GJ earned his contract by playing his ass off. Hawk is only getting paid to big bucks because of his draft status, not his play on the field.

Your argument seems to be that Hawk isn't earning his contract. If he isn't surely GJ isn't either. Is it that hard to connect the dots?

8.149 million for 22 catches and a TD so far.

Oh and by the way I like G Jennings a lot!

[Brandon494]

Anyway I'm done with this topic,

Id hate to see what would happen if you weren't "done with this topic".

great input!

[Cheesehead Craig]

Hawk getting released after the season if he doesn't take a pay cut? To me, that's just silly talk. Won't happen.

[SnakeLH2006]

I doubt they will even draft a LB on the first day next season. We need to improve our safety and corner depth before we think about drafting a LB.

How about getting an OT? Or an RB? We don't need more LB's, though.

[Partial]

Moss has had some pretty harsh words about Hawk the past two days. They're sort of backhanded compliments, saying he is playing good right now but was basically really bad before.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/70298492.html

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/70246992.html

[Fritz]

I don't think he's been all that harsh. I read his comments as having two points:

1. He seems to feel there's a hell of a lot of talent just barely behind Hawk, and if AJ wants to play he better make some plays cuz just being assignment sure isn't good enough.

2. Hawk's nature is to not make mistakes, and while that is important - not make mistakes - he is capable of more and is starting to understand that and play to his abilities and not overthink it so much any more.

[Partial]

I don't think he's been all that harsh. I read his comments as having two points:

1. He seems to feel there's a hell of a lot of talent just barely behind Hawk, and if AJ wants to play he better make some plays cuz just being assignment sure isn't good enough.

2. Hawk's nature is to not make mistakes, and while that is important - not make mistakes - he is capable of more and is starting to understand that and play to his abilities and not overthink it so much any more.

I agree but the backhanded-compliment stuff is probably because Moss isn't a cunninglinguist.

[Brandon494]

Good, I'm glad Moss is lighting some fire under his ass. After bashing on him at the beginning of the season he has looked very good the past couple games.

[pbmax]

Captain Etienne Navarre

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089457/

Just a sublime post. They say Hollywood makes less than half the films they used to, but back in the heady days of new cable service, that movie played on HBO approximately 4,589 times. Michelle Pfeiffer indeed.

[pbmax]

Some of you buttlickers need to remember what it was like to have Paris Lenon, Fred Strickland, or Bernardo Harris on the field before you go calling guys talentless or busts.

Brutally tough. Wasn't Strickland the MLB on the league's number one scoring defense in 1996? That's a high standard.

[pbmax]

Hawk wants to return to Packers next season

Regardless of his current role, linebacker A.J. Hawk says he would like to remain with the Packers beyond this season.

That decision, though, almost surely will come down to whether he’s willing to take a major pay cut from the $4.1 million he’s scheduled to make in base salary next year.

Hawk, who has played only in the Packers’ base defense the last two games, was on the field for only nine snaps against the Detroit Lions last week because defensive coordiator Dom Capers deployed nickel personnel most of the game.

It’s a given the Packers won’t bring back Hawk next year at that pay. They presumably would ask him to take a pay cut before releasing him, and if they do, it will be up to Hawk to accept their new offer or force them to cut him so he can sign with another club.

“I don’t know, if that happens we’ll cross that bridge when we come to it,” Hawk said of a pay cut. “I like it here. Definitely. Regardless of how many reps I’m getting right now I still want to be here. I’d much rather be not playing as much as I’d like on a good winning team and a solid organization than starting for a team going 2-14.”

-- Pete Dougherty, pdougher@greenbaypressgazette.com

I wonder if Pete Dougherty has ever had to retract this statement? Or apologize for being a complete tool?

But I bet he is one of the same dopes who is currently claiming Hawk CANNOT return next year WITHOUT A SIGNIFICANT PAYCUT!