Chew on this Hawk Lovers!

[Brandon494]

I laughed. Then I cried. Then I laughed again. Then I puked, giggled, and cried some more. Thanks Branden420, you're a hoot.

[b bulldog]

Some stated that Hawk was already at his ceiling at O St., I think that assumption was dead on. He is ok but will never get a big contract in GB unless he starts to play as we would all want him to play. just a guy!

[Brandon494]

Some stated that Hawk was already at his ceiling at O St., I think that assumption was dead on. He is ok but will never get a big contract in GB unless he starts to play as we would all want him to play. just a guy!

Hawk wants to return to Packers next season

Regardless of his current role, linebacker A.J. Hawk says he would like to remain with the Packers beyond this season.

That decision, though, almost surely will come down to whether he’s willing to take a major pay cut from the $4.1 million he’s scheduled to make in base salary next year.

Hawk, who has played only in the Packers’ base defense the last two games, was on the field for only nine snaps against the Detroit Lions last week because defensive coordiator Dom Capers deployed nickel personnel most of the game.

It’s a given the Packers won’t bring back Hawk next year at that pay. They presumably would ask him to take a pay cut before releasing him, and if they do, it will be up to Hawk to accept their new offer or force them to cut him so he can sign with another club.

“I don’t know, if that happens we’ll cross that bridge when we come to it,” Hawk said of a pay cut. “I like it here. Definitely. Regardless of how many reps I’m getting right now I still want to be here. I’d much rather be not playing as much as I’d like on a good winning team and a solid organization than starting for a team going 2-14.”

-- Pete Dougherty, pdougher@greenbaypressgazette.com

[rbaloha1]

Some stated that Hawk was already at his ceiling at O St., I think that assumption was dead on. He is ok but will never get a big contract in GB unless he starts to play as we would all want him to play. just a guy!

Hawk wants to return to Packers next season

Regardless of his current role, linebacker A.J. Hawk says he would like to remain with the Packers beyond this season.

That decision, though, almost surely will come down to whether he’s willing to take a major pay cut from the $4.1 million he’s scheduled to make in base salary next year.

Hawk, who has played only in the Packers’ base defense the last two games, was on the field for only nine snaps against the Detroit Lions last week because defensive coordiator Dom Capers deployed nickel personnel most of the game.

It’s a given the Packers won’t bring back Hawk next year at that pay. They presumably would ask him to take a pay cut before releasing him, and if they do, it will be up to Hawk to accept their new offer or force them to cut him so he can sign with another club.

“I don’t know, if that happens we’ll cross that bridge when we come to it,” Hawk said of a pay cut. “I like it here. Definitely. Regardless of how many reps I’m getting right now I still want to be here. I’d much rather be not playing as much as I’d like on a good winning team and a solid organization than starting for a team going 2-14.”

-- Pete Dougherty, pdougher@greenbaypressgazette.com

Hawk at the NFL minimum is worth keeping.

[pbmax]

Some stated that Hawk was already at his ceiling at O St., I think that assumption was dead on. He is ok but will never get a big contract in GB unless he starts to play as we would all want him to play. just a guy!

Hawk wants to return to Packers next season

Regardless of his current role, linebacker A.J. Hawk says he would like to remain with the Packers beyond this season.

That decision, though, almost surely will come down to whether he’s willing to take a major pay cut from the $4.1 million he’s scheduled to make in base salary next year.

Hawk, who has played only in the Packers’ base defense the last two games, was on the field for only nine snaps against the Detroit Lions last week because defensive coordiator Dom Capers deployed nickel personnel most of the game.

It’s a given the Packers won’t bring back Hawk next year at that pay. They presumably would ask him to take a pay cut before releasing him, and if they do, it will be up to Hawk to accept their new offer or force them to cut him so he can sign with another club.

“I don’t know, if that happens we’ll cross that bridge when we come to it,” Hawk said of a pay cut. “I like it here. Definitely. Regardless of how many reps I’m getting right now I still want to be here. I’d much rather be not playing as much as I’d like on a good winning team and a solid organization than starting for a team going 2-14.”

-- Pete Dougherty, pdougher@greenbaypressgazette.com

Not sure about this. Every year someone is deemed to be staring down the barrel of a pay cut ultimatum. Then it doesn't happen. First it was KGB. Then it was Harris. We heard TT would never pay more for Driver and Harris and he adjusted the contracts.

Outside of the year of salary cap readjustment (Wahle, Rivera and Sharper) has anyone had a pay cut ultimatum from the Packers?

KGB eventually was released when he couldn't rebound from the surgery. Ahman left for a better contract. Has anyone had this gun pointed at them by T2?

[Partial]

Hawk didn't make any plays last year while Bishop (albeit in limited action) was making plays.

You are remembering Bishop's preseason last year. When he got in the game last season he looked like a retard on cocaine. He made Poppinga look like a smart football player. Which is why his time on the field last season was very limited despite the cornucopia of injuries there last year.

Bishop can't even get on the field as even a pass rusher this year.

That's because we don't blitz anymore. Capers went from one of the Ryan boys in week 1 to Bob Sanders 2.0 since. I've been extremely disappointed. You cannot develop swagger when you play scared.

Can you stop posting in absolutes when you have absolutely no clue what the fuck you're talking about? We don't blitz anymore?

At some point you have to decide to slow your posting rate in direct proportion to the % of each Packer game you actually WATCH.

What a joke... dude doesn't even watch the last game and knows exactly what we're doing on defense.

Let me tell you something: You don't.

Please tell me how many games you would consider having an aggressive game plan other than Chicago and Detroit? He's done 2 of 5, less than 50% bro.

I cannot get the memory of Brett Favre carving our defense apart because the DFI sent 3 rushers third down after third down.

[Partial]

Hawk didn't make any plays last year while Bishop (albeit in limited action) was making plays.

You are remembering Bishop's preseason last year. When he got in the game last season he looked like a retard on cocaine. He made Poppinga look like a smart football player. Which is why his time on the field last season was very limited despite the cornucopia of injuries there last year.

Bishop can't even get on the field as even a pass rusher this year.

That's because we don't blitz anymore. Capers went from one of the Ryan boys in week 1 to Bob Sanders 2.0 since. I've been extremely disappointed. You cannot develop swagger when you play scared.

I don't remember the plethora of injuries at LB. Who was injured and missed significant playing time besides Barnett?

Thats because Bigby would out and Capers didn't trust his replacements to blitz as much. Since Bigby has come back you saw Capers blitz a lot more in the Lions game just as he did against the Bears. Bigby is a bigger part of his defense then some may realize, mainly because the lack of depth we have at safety.

I laughed. Then I cried. Then I laughed again. Then I puked, giggled, and cried some more. Thanks Branden420, you're a hoot.

Partial, you'll recall that Hawk struggled through two rather significant injuries and still changed positions to cover for Barnett, which in theory should have opened a vault load of opportunity for a player in Bishop's position - young, exciting, healthy, and having made an impression in the preseason - especially when Chillar kind of fucked the pooch and Poppinga struggled to do anything other than run in a straight line until he ran into someone - usually the back of a D lineman. Instead he came in, looked all jumpy and crazy, and seemed to short circuit. Bishop made some big hits two years ago in preseason. This year he looked nice against backups. But the guy obviously doesn't have the mental wiring needed yet. I really hope he figures shit out, because I like a guy who hits people, which is why I hate Barnett. And Chillar. And Poppinga. Until he figures out how to play defense, and not just run into people really hard, it looks like his opportunity will be limited.

Bishop isn't an outside linebacker. I don't believe what you're saying at all about Chill as the coaches are on record as saying he was the best linebacker last season. Poppinga is an outside LB in 4-3. They wanted to see Hawk in the middle so they moved him instead of bringing in Bishop who is not a coverage LB.

I see this system being much more in tune with Bishop's skill set. He is an excellent blitzer and a huge hitter. He is solid enough to drop into a zone and hold his arms up.

You're comparing Apples to Starfruits.

[Partial]

Hawk didn't make any plays last year while Bishop (albeit in limited action) was making plays.

You are remembering Bishop's preseason last year. When he got in the game last season he looked like a retard on cocaine. He made Poppinga look like a smart football player. Which is why his time on the field last season was very limited despite the cornucopia of injuries there last year.

Bishop can't even get on the field as even a pass rusher this year.

That's because we don't blitz anymore. Capers went from one of the Ryan boys in week 1 to Bob Sanders 2.0 since. I've been extremely disappointed. You cannot develop swagger when you play scared.

I don't remember the plethora of injuries at LB. Who was injured and missed significant playing time besides Barnett?

Since you didn't watch the game, I will give you the benefit of the doubt. But I would check with your sources before you declare we didn't blitz against the Lions. You are about to get Patlerized.

They said all week they were going to Blitz the Lions so I would be shocked if they did not... however, where was the blitzing against the other quality opponents? We've played aggressive and set the tone in two games. In the other game, we played not to lose. Capers was worse than Sanders against Minne. At least Sanders would send all 4 linemen where as Capers was only sending 3 dudes on third down against Minne.

[Partial]

Backups are suppose to be solid, starters are suppose to make plays and until Hawk starts to do that he needs to stay on the sidelines

If you could get 11 players at all the positions of defense who are as consistently assignment sure as Hawk is, you would have the best defense in the NFL year in and year out.

B.S. You need to force turnovers. The best NFL defenses force turnovers. In fact there is a direct correlation in turnover margin and winning.

I don't even know about that, but I think the biggest thing is intimidation. I remember two years ago the Monday night game against the Perfect Pats and the Ravens where it came down to the final minutes. The Ravens were just so intense and playing with so much attitude and intensity that they were bullying the Pats around at the end. Finally, their was a penalty and eventually the Pats pulled it off after an epic stand by the Ravens.

The morale of the story? Attitude is everything, and playing aggressively and hitting hard gets the entire team fired up. Do you remember how pumped up everyone was out of the gate in the Chicago game? Where is that fire? I don't see everyone on the D communicating, gang tackling, and supporting one another like they were then.

[MJZiggy]

Oh god. Here we go again. It's MORAL. Morale deals with mood; moral deals with ethics. (or in this usage a lesson for how to live your life). [Snarky comment removed]

[Fritz]

Hey, don't let this affect your moral, Zig.

[SkinBasket]

Hawk didn't make any plays last year while Bishop (albeit in limited action) was making plays.

You are remembering Bishop's preseason last year. When he got in the game last season he looked like a retard on cocaine. He made Poppinga look like a smart football player. Which is why his time on the field last season was very limited despite the cornucopia of injuries there last year.

Bishop can't even get on the field as even a pass rusher this year.

That's because we don't blitz anymore. Capers went from one of the Ryan boys in week 1 to Bob Sanders 2.0 since. I've been extremely disappointed. You cannot develop swagger when you play scared.

I don't remember the plethora of injuries at LB. Who was injured and missed significant playing time besides Barnett?

Thats because Bigby would out and Capers didn't trust his replacements to blitz as much. Since Bigby has come back you saw Capers blitz a lot more in the Lions game just as he did against the Bears. Bigby is a bigger part of his defense then some may realize, mainly because the lack of depth we have at safety.

I laughed. Then I cried. Then I laughed again. Then I puked, giggled, and cried some more. Thanks Branden420, you're a hoot.

Partial, you'll recall that Hawk struggled through two rather significant injuries and still changed positions to cover for Barnett, which in theory should have opened a vault load of opportunity for a player in Bishop's position - young, exciting, healthy, and having made an impression in the preseason - especially when Chillar kind of fucked the pooch and Poppinga struggled to do anything other than run in a straight line until he ran into someone - usually the back of a D lineman. Instead he came in, looked all jumpy and crazy, and seemed to short circuit. Bishop made some big hits two years ago in preseason. This year he looked nice against backups. But the guy obviously doesn't have the mental wiring needed yet. I really hope he figures shit out, because I like a guy who hits people, which is why I hate Barnett. And Chillar. And Poppinga. Until he figures out how to play defense, and not just run into people really hard, it looks like his opportunity will be limited.

Bishop isn't an outside linebacker. I don't believe what you're saying at all about Chill as the coaches are on record as saying he was the best linebacker last season. Poppinga is an outside LB in 4-3. They wanted to see Hawk in the middle so they moved him instead of bringing in Bishop who is not a coverage LB.

I see this system being much more in tune with Bishop's skill set. He is an excellent blitzer and a huge hitter. He is solid enough to drop into a zone and hold his arms up.

You're comparing Apples to Starfruits.

Chillar arguably played better than a twice injured Hawk out of position and a retarded Poppinga. That doesn't mean he played great. If Bishop were as awesome as some seem to think, he steps into Barnett's spot last year and allows hawk to maintain his position. Problem is, when he did see the field, he was terrible. And if Chillar was as flexible as the team thought when they signed him, he would have been the one in the middle, being blasted by linemen and fullbacks as they plunged right through our makeshift DL. But he wasn't, and he isn't strong enough for that, so he got to stay outside.

I'm not comparing apples to anything. I'm saying Bishop's had more opportunity than most ever do to make the field and he hasn't. You can make all the excuses and have all the coaching conspiracies you want, but the fact remains he hasn't been able to capitalize on those opportunities.

Hawk obviously isn't the one preventing him from seeing the field, because as you and others have pointed out, he wasn't on the field very often. Again, seems like another opportunity for Bishop to be out there if he could offer something the current starters don't.

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That's because we don't blitz anymore. Capers went from one of the Ryan boys in week 1 to Bob Sanders 2.0 since.

They said all week they were going to Blitz the Lions so I would be shocked if they did not... however, where was the blitzing against the other quality opponents?.

Which point represents your current position?

[sheepshead]

That's because we don't blitz anymore. Capers went from one of the Ryan boys in week 1 to Bob Sanders 2.0 since.

They said all week they were going to Blitz the Lions so I would be shocked if they did not... however, where was the blitzing against the other quality opponents?.

Which point represents your current position?

He doesnt have one, never has. He gets to say anything he wants, all of it conflicting previous thoughts and if you are critical, you might get a time out.

[sharpe1027]

That's because we don't blitz anymore. Capers went from one of the Ryan boys in week 1 to Bob Sanders 2.0 since.

They said all week they were going to Blitz the Lions so I would be shocked if they did not... however, where was the blitzing against the other quality opponents?.

Which point represents your current position?

At some point trying to prove the point trumps an open discussion. That point happens sooner for some people.