Chew on this Hawk Lovers!

[Gunakor]

Busts LOSE games for your team. While Hawk hasn't been a key contributor to many wins, he certainly hasn't lost any games.

This is my definition of a bust, and Hawk doesn't meet the criteria. He's a disappointment for his draft position, but that's all. Would you rather have a guy that misses a bunch of tackles and is always out of position? That's what a bust is. That's not what Hawk is. He's a solid starter that doesn't make mistakes.

[SnakeLH2006]

Busts LOSE games for your team. While Hawk hasn't been a key contributor to many wins, he certainly hasn't lost any games.

This is my definition of a bust, and Hawk doesn't meet the criteria. He's a disappointment for his draft position, but that's all. Would you rather have a guy that misses a bunch of tackles and is always out of position? That's what a bust is. That's not what Hawk is. He's a solid starter that doesn't make mistakes.

Dude I like trading late nite posts with ya, but that is weak as hell. You quoted yourself. Your definition of a bust is your own. My definition of bust is universal when looking at top NFL picks. And, yah, Hawk has hurt us, just about every game when I rewind it on HD-DVR he gets his ass toasted in pass coverage and does a minute non-challant shake of his head when he gets toasted for a 25 yard game by a TE. Thank god it hasn't been in the past 2 weeks, as the coaches see it too. I ain't busting his balls now cuz he's getting 8 snaps a game. He's a bust cuz:

1) He is getting paid superstar money.
2) He is healthy and not playing cuz he sucks and is a liabilty.
3) If he was good, he'd make some plays. He's made/makes none.
4) He's VERY bad in pass-coverage (I'm no scout, but shit, been saying it game after game he just get's roasted in coverage with TE's and RB's).
5) He makes no plays.

THAT IS A BUST. He ain't Paris Lenon. He's a BUST cuz he was/is/paid/expected to make those plays. He can't/hasn't/won't anymore cuz he's benched and proven ineffective at his salary/#5 overall Draft status. THAT IS A BUST. Read that again. He might be a deece backup and not cost games there, but he is a liability/seen him lose games as a starter (so did the coaches).......THAT IS A BUST!!!!!!!!!!

Damn, Gun. I thought you were smarter than that. Give it up. I still respect ya. Hawk is done.

[Gunakor]

Well, I respectfully disagree. I see an assignment sure tackler who doesn't hit home on the blitz and doesn't force fumbles. I see a guy who hasn't seen a whole lot of PT because the defense has been in nickel 80% of the time, and he doesn't play in nickel. I see a guy who the coaches were/are adament about getting more playing time. (You say the coaches see these horrible things in Hawk that in reality they don't, and imply that the lack of snaps for Hawk was by design when it wasn't)

His superstar salary was pretty much predetermined by his draft position. He's still on his rookie contract. It's not like the Packers had a whole lot of leeway there. He's not making a superstar salary because he's a superstar, he's making it because he was the #5 overall pick. Which makes him a disappointment for his draft position, not a bust. Nobody on the draft board is an NFL superstar. The ones at the top just get superstar money. So if your complaint is about the money he's making, complain to the union. Not the Packers.

I wish people would stop trying to tie salary to bust status anyway. Being a bust isn't about the money. It's about being a piss poor NFL football player. Hawk isn't a piss poor NFL football player. Hawk is a solid starter. He just doesn't play nickel, thus hasn't seen many snaps recently. That doesn't mean he's a bust.

[SkinBasket]

Since when the fuck is 4 mil "superstar" money anyway? I remember a butt load of piss flaps on here defending KGB's 9 mil contract saying it wasn't that far out of line with other DEs (ignoring the fact he wasn't those other DEs, nor was he anywhere as good as those DEs). If we were up against the cap, or anywhere near it, then it would be an issue, but we're not, so what the fuck does it matter?

[pbmax]

Hawk is the best ILB we have right now... I would expell Barnett in a heartbeat... he's a puss, period.
Hawk is not the fastest, not the best blitzer, not the best coverage guy; but he is the most dependable.

Get rid of Barnett... he gets washed up worse than my dirtiest underwear in a spin cycle.

How many sacks do you see Pittsburgh's ILB's getting? Interceptions? Ya, I thought so.

Bishop, Hawk & Chillar should be our inside guys. Barnett is nothing more than a slow Strong Safety trying to play LB.

Good Bye
I love u all

Lamarr Woodley: has 2 sacks...had 11.5 last season. 3 pass defensed 2 last year.

James Farrior: has 1 sack and had 3.5 last season. 1 pass defensed 5 last year.

AJ Hawk: has 0 sacks...had 3 last season. 0 passes defensed, 1 last season

Barnett: has 1 sack..had 0 in 9 games last year, 0 passes defensed, 2 last year.

Hawk in 3.5 seasons has 7.5 sacks and 11 passes defensed. (chillar had 8 last season in 7 starts)

One thing I will tellyou about posters on this website. We know how to google, so when you post a questing thinking you are making a point check it out first or you may look silly. Stats don't always tell the entire story, but you brought it up so.....

Isn't Woodley on OLB? I think you want Farrior and Timmons.

[mission]

Ya I'm with skin on this one... 4 mil is really nothing. I bet if you took a list of 4 mil a year players and compared them to Hawk, he'd sit right around the middle when choosing who you'd want on your team. Can't really count guys who are out performing rookie contracts as they're in line for more soon and Hawk, while underperforming his rookie contract, looks to probably make less next seasn.

Trying to post this on my phone an it's hard to reread my post so apologies in advance.

Snake--btw I strongly disagree with your assessment of Hawks tackling ability

[Fritz]

People want Hawk to be that sexy supermodel with plastic boobs who looks great on your arm but makes key mistakes at crucial moments ("Can you hurry up a little? I have a hair appointment in five minutes"). Hawk's more like the loyal, smart, pretty wife who has short hair and a pert nose but knows what to do.

[wist43]

People want Hawk to be that sexy supermodel with plastic boobs who looks great on your arm but makes key mistakes at crucial moments ("Can you hurry up a little? I have a hair appointment in five minutes"). Hawk's more like the loyal, smart, pretty wife who has short hair and a pert nose but knows what to do.

Fritz, that has to be the single worst analogy for the play of an NFL LB I have ever heard

Besides, some of us prefer short and cute over fake boobs anyway

[Brandon494]

People want Hawk to be that sexy supermodel with plastic boobs who looks great on your arm but makes key mistakes at crucial moments ("Can you hurry up a little? I have a hair appointment in five minutes"). Hawk's more like the loyal, smart, pretty wife who has short hair and a pert nose but knows what to do.

Seriously, what are you talking about?

Anyway people call Bush a bust being picked #2 overall so why isnt Hawk considered a bust at #5? Atleast Bush makes game changing plays, Hawk is just another guy. I tell you another thing, if Hawk doesnt take a paycut next season he will not be a Packer. I like the guy because he does seem to work his ass off but we need playmakers on defense, not god damn Rudy.

[bobblehead]

Hawk is the best ILB we have right now... I would expell Barnett in a heartbeat... he's a puss, period.
Hawk is not the fastest, not the best blitzer, not the best coverage guy; but he is the most dependable.

Get rid of Barnett... he gets washed up worse than my dirtiest underwear in a spin cycle.

How many sacks do you see Pittsburgh's ILB's getting? Interceptions? Ya, I thought so.

Bishop, Hawk & Chillar should be our inside guys. Barnett is nothing more than a slow Strong Safety trying to play LB.

Good Bye
I love u all

Lamarr Woodley: has 2 sacks...had 11.5 last season. 3 pass defensed 2 last year.

James Farrior: has 1 sack and had 3.5 last season. 1 pass defensed 5 last year.

AJ Hawk: has 0 sacks...had 3 last season. 0 passes defensed, 1 last season

Barnett: has 1 sack..had 0 in 9 games last year, 0 passes defensed, 2 last year.

Hawk in 3.5 seasons has 7.5 sacks and 11 passes defensed. (chillar had 8 last season in 7 starts)

One thing I will tellyou about posters on this website. We know how to google, so when you post a questing thinking you are making a point check it out first or you may look silly. Stats don't always tell the entire story, but you brought it up so.....

Isn't Woodley on OLB? I think you want Farrior and Timmons.

YOu are correct...see I told you posters here knew their shit. (fucking google failed me....note to self...always check 2 search results)

For the record Timmons has 3 sacks and 4 pass defenses....he is actually having a BETTER season than Woodley atm.

[bobblehead]

One thing I will say....only a guy with expectations can be a bust. Jonny Jolly could not be a bust, he was a 6th? round pick.

AJ is a bust by draft status, but he is still a legitimate NFL player.

Honestly, I would work him onto some special teams. I don't think he would mind. AJ is a player, I like him, I would get him on the field on special teams to increase his contribution.

I will never say AJ sucks ass or anything of the sort, simply that he is a below average starter who was picked at #5. Worse yet he was an LB which in itself barely merits a #5 overall. His only saving grace is that no one picked 6-10 is actually looking that great to my knowledge (but i'm sure someone will use google and prove me wrong if I am :P)

[pbmax]

That's because we don't blitz anymore. Capers went from one of the Ryan boys in week 1 to Bob Sanders 2.0 since.

They said all week they were going to Blitz the Lions so I would be shocked if they did not... however, where was the blitzing against the other quality opponents?.

Which point represents your current position?

My current position is we have blitzed heavily in 2 games, and played less aggressive defense than Vanilla Bob for another 3.

Does your definition of blitz mean five or more rushers or do 4 in a zone blitz count?

5+

Well, for the record, to say a five or more man blitz is the only way to be aggressive is a narrow minded approach to a game plan. For example, two blitzes in the Rams game gave Jackson his longest plays.

But here are the numbers:

McGinn
Lions 48% (no definition)
Vikngs 16.7 %
Rams (21 blitzes by ILBs mentioned but no percentage or five/six man breakdown)
Bengals 19.2%
Bears (14 blitzes by Chillar the only mention)

Press Gazette
Lions 50%
Vikings 17.2
Bengals 14.3
Rams 16.7
Bears (no mention of blitz percentage)

Given the disparity between the run game of the Bears and the Lions, I don't think the blitz strategy has been dependent on the nature of the run game. Also, the fact that we blitzed the Bears shows that Capers isn't simply blitzing bad teams.

It would seem to be a function of player availability. Specifically, Bigby and Matthews in that order.

[mmmdk]

Google = pseudo knowledge

[bobblehead]

Google = pseudo knowledge

Well, that is so generic I probably shouldn't even bother, but if you use the argument that pitts ILB's don't get any sacks or interceptions I have to admit I won't know the answer off the top of my head. I doubt any poster here would. Google simply allowed me to call bullshit and if you want to bag on me for using google when another poster asserts something as fact....well, what can I say, you're a tool.

ARod has a MUCH better career passer rating than Brett Favre...isn't even close. Now tell me that off the top of your head you know for sure I'm wrong. (I would actually guess I'm not)

[Fritz]

People want Hawk to be that sexy supermodel with plastic boobs who looks great on your arm but makes key mistakes at crucial moments ("Can you hurry up a little? I have a hair appointment in five minutes"). Hawk's more like the loyal, smart, pretty wife who has short hair and a pert nose but knows what to do.

Fritz, that has to be the single worst analogy for the play of an NFL LB I have ever heard

Besides, some of us prefer short and cute over fake boobs anyway

That would be my point. And it was a damn fine analogy. Ever see AJ Hawk's cute little nose?