Chew on this Hawk Lovers!

[mmmdk]

Google = pseudo knowledge

Well, that is so generic I probably shouldn't even bother, but if you use the argument that pitts ILB's don't get any sacks or interceptions I have to admit I won't know the answer off the top of my head. I doubt any poster here would. Google simply allowed me to call bullshit and if you want to bag on me for using google when another poster asserts something as fact....well, what can I say, you're a tool.

ARod has a MUCH better career passer rating than Brett Favre...isn't even close. Now tell me that off the top of your head you know for sure I'm wrong. (I would actually guess I'm not)

...don't be all Favred up about this; you read way too much into it.

[bobblehead]

Google = pseudo knowledge

Well, that is so generic I probably shouldn't even bother, but if you use the argument that pitts ILB's don't get any sacks or interceptions I have to admit I won't know the answer off the top of my head. I doubt any poster here would. Google simply allowed me to call bullshit and if you want to bag on me for using google when another poster asserts something as fact....well, what can I say, you're a tool.

ARod has a MUCH better career passer rating than Brett Favre...isn't even close. Now tell me that off the top of your head you know for sure I'm wrong. (I would actually guess I'm not)

...don't be all Favred up about this; you read way too much into it.

enlighten me, what should I have inferred from you saying me googling = pseudo knowledge. I use a spell check at times too, does that make me less intelligent?

[mmmdk]

Google = pseudo knowledge

Well, that is so generic I probably shouldn't even bother, but if you use the argument that pitts ILB's don't get any sacks or interceptions I have to admit I won't know the answer off the top of my head. I doubt any poster here would. Google simply allowed me to call bullshit and if you want to bag on me for using google when another poster asserts something as fact....well, what can I say, you're a tool.

ARod has a MUCH better career passer rating than Brett Favre...isn't even close. Now tell me that off the top of your head you know for sure I'm wrong. (I would actually guess I'm not)

...don't be all Favred up about this; you read way too much into it.

enlighten me, what should I have inferred from you saying me googling = pseudo knowledge. I use a spell check at times too, does that make me less intelligent?

No you're not !

Google is a nice tool but some, not you for all I know, boost their low selfesteem by googling their lack of a proper argument and/or lack of real evidence. Erudition beats online wanking 10 times out of 10.

My post in this thread stands alone and was not a reply. Actually, I was stating the obvious.

It's Browns week !

[bobblehead]

Google = pseudo knowledge

Well, that is so generic I probably shouldn't even bother, but if you use the argument that pitts ILB's don't get any sacks or interceptions I have to admit I won't know the answer off the top of my head. I doubt any poster here would. Google simply allowed me to call bullshit and if you want to bag on me for using google when another poster asserts something as fact....well, what can I say, you're a tool.

ARod has a MUCH better career passer rating than Brett Favre...isn't even close. Now tell me that off the top of your head you know for sure I'm wrong. (I would actually guess I'm not)

...don't be all Favred up about this; you read way too much into it.

enlighten me, what should I have inferred from you saying me googling = pseudo knowledge. I use a spell check at times too, does that make me less intelligent?

No you're not !

Google is a nice tool but some, not you for all I know, boost their low selfesteem by googling their lack of a proper argument and/or lack of real evidence. Erudition beats online wanking 10 times out of 10.

My post in this thread stands alone and was not a reply. Actually, I was stating the obvious.

It's Browns week !

well mr. erudite, since i mentioned google and you made a stand alone post google = pseudo knowledge I suspected (apparently incorrectly) that you might be trying to invalidate my point. Obviously you are in the habit of posting google = pseudo knowledge randomly throughout packer rats, not in reply to anything, simply making a point with no implications whatsoever.

My sincerest apologies.

Mars is a red planet. I'm just saying is all.

[mmmdk]

Google = pseudo knowledge

Well, that is so generic I probably shouldn't even bother, but if you use the argument that pitts ILB's don't get any sacks or interceptions I have to admit I won't know the answer off the top of my head. I doubt any poster here would. Google simply allowed me to call bullshit and if you want to bag on me for using google when another poster asserts something as fact....well, what can I say, you're a tool.

ARod has a MUCH better career passer rating than Brett Favre...isn't even close. Now tell me that off the top of your head you know for sure I'm wrong. (I would actually guess I'm not)

...don't be all Favred up about this; you read way too much into it.

enlighten me, what should I have inferred from you saying me googling = pseudo knowledge. I use a spell check at times too, does that make me less intelligent?

No you're not !

Google is a nice tool but some, not you for all I know, boost their low selfesteem by googling their lack of a proper argument and/or lack of real evidence. Erudition beats online wanking 10 times out of 10.

My post in this thread stands alone and was not a reply. Actually, I was stating the obvious.

It's Browns week !

well mr. erudite, since i mentioned google and you made a stand alone post google = pseudo knowledge I suspected (apparently incorrectly) that you might be trying to invalidate my point. Obviously you are in the habit of posting google = pseudo knowledge randomly throughout packer rats, not in reply to anything, simply making a point with no implications whatsoever.

My sincerest apologies.

Mars is a red planet. I'm just saying is all.

Cool, I'm going to bed [it's 3:00am here] and getting ready for Browns.

[b bulldog]

Question, what has Hawk ever done to merit such a following? He was good in college but he is an average player at the absolute best in the NFL. I just do not get it.

[Gunakor]

Question, what has Hawk ever done to merit such a following? He was good in college but he is an average player at the absolute best in the NFL. I just do not get it.

He isn't great but he doesn't suck. He doesn't make big plays but he doesn't make big mistakes. He doesn't win games but he doesn't lose them either. So it's all a matter of perspective. We could be better there, for sure, but we could do far worse at LB than AJ Hawk. As a matter of priority, I don't see what the fuck people are worried about Hawk for when there's so many other much more glaring needs right now.

[rbaloha1]

Question, what has Hawk ever done to merit such a following? He was good in college but he is an average player at the absolute best in the NFL. I just do not get it.

Considered the safest pick in the draft. Recall the Saints almost selected over Bush. A great combine player but a completely over hyped football player.

[Brandon494]

Question, what has Hawk ever done to merit such a following? He was good in college but he is an average player at the absolute best in the NFL. I just do not get it.

"He got perty hair"

[pbmax]

Question, what has Hawk ever done to merit such a following? He was good in college but he is an average player at the absolute best in the NFL. I just do not get it.

Considered the safest pick in the draft. Recall the Saints almost selected over Bush. A great combine player but a completely over hyped football player.

What does combine player mean? Are you saying workout warrior? Because that doesn't fit. Hawk had a very productive college career at a big time school in a big time conference. Whether you agree with the pick or not, he wasn't Mike Mamula.

[pbmax]

Question, what has Hawk ever done to merit such a following? He was good in college but he is an average player at the absolute best in the NFL. I just do not get it.

Considered the safest pick in the draft. Recall the Saints almost selected over Bush. A great combine player but a completely over hyped football player.

What does combine player mean? Are you saying workout warrior? Because that doesn't fit. Hawk had a very productive college career at a big time school in a big time conference. Whether you agree with the pick or not, he wasn't Mike Mamula.

And I call a second round of bologna. Didn't he start in 3 of his 4 years? There is a reason he was considered the safest pick in the top ten and that was evident before the combine. But that designation comes with an implicit understanding that he probably has the more limited upside.

[Fritz]

Do tell, oh Rats, who you wanted - at the time. Not now. Not with hindsight. So who'd you want them to take at #5??

Round One
1. Houston - Mario Williams, DE North Carolina State
2. New Orleans - Reggie Bush, RB USC
3. Tennessee - Vince Young, QB Texas
4. N.Y. Jets - D'Brickashaw Ferguson, OT Virginia
5. Green Bay - A.J. Hawk, LB Ohio State
6. San Francisco - Vernon Davis, TE Maryland
7. Oakland - Michael Huff, DB Texas
8. Buffalo - Donte Whitner, S Ohio State
9. Detroit - Ernie Sims, LB Florida State
10. Arizona - Matt Leinart, QB USC
11. Denver (from St. Louis) - Jay Cutler, QB Vanderbilt
12. Baltimore (from Cleveland) - Haloti Ngata, DT Oregon
13. Cleveland (from Baltimore) - Kamerion Wimbley, DE/OLB Florida State
14. Philadelphia - Broderick Bunkley, DT Florida State
15. St. Louis (from Atlanta through Denver) - Tye Hill, Cb Clemson
16. Miami - Jason Allen, DB Tennessee
17. Minnesota - Chad Greenway, LB Iowa
18. Dallas - Bobby Carpenter, LB Ohio State
19. San Diego - Antonio Cromartie, CB Florida State
20. Kansas City - Tamba Hali, DE Penn State
21. New England - Laurence Maroney, RB Minnesota
22. San Francisco (from Washington through Denver) - Manny Lawson, DE/OLB North Carolina State
23. Tampa Bay - Davin Joseph, G Oklahoma
24. Cincinnati - Johnathan Joseph, CB South Carolina
25. Pittsburgh (from N.Y. Giants) - Santonio Holmes, WR Ohio State
26. Buffalo (from Chicago) - John McCargo, DT North Carolina State
27. Carolina - DeAngelo Williams, RB Memphis
28. Jacksonville - Marcedes Lewis, TE UCLA
29. NY Jets (from Denver through Atlanta) - Nick Mangold, C Ohio State
30. Indianapolis - Joseph Addai, RB LSU
31. Seattle - Kelly Jennings, CB Miami (FL)
32. N.Y. Giants (from Pittsburgh) - Mathias Kiwanuka, DE Boston College

[Pugger]

The reason folks say he is a bust is because he was such a high draft pick. Some fans don't think he has lived up to those loft expectations (and a lot of players don't, frankly). If Hawk had been taken in the 2nd round we wouldn't be having this discussion.

[Fritz]

I agree, but that's why I'm asking who they were supposed to take. Ngata was the only one some folks here wanted, I think. Some wanted Vernon Davis, others wanted Michael Huff. And nobody was advocating for Greenway.

So - you coulda done worse than Hawk. Look at Vince Young. Look at Huff.

[MJZiggy]

I think APB wanted Mangold...