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Originally posted by ThunderDan
Ruvell consistently found him on the field to fuel the rushing game. Last year basically every run it was Nelson and Martin on the field. When does Brett Swain ever see the field?
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Single-handedly? Hardly. How many other guys would have made that play?? Impossible to tell obviously, but I'd guess many. It wasn't a spectacular play by the Pack, it was an incredibly stupid play by the Bears.
Ruvell consistently found him on the field to fuel the rushing game. Last year basically every run it was Nelson and Martin on the field. When does Brett Swain ever see the field? -
I don't recall them being on the field together often enough to support that strong of a statement. I guess it might just be my memory failing me. Care to back that up with any sort of proof?[/u]Originally posted by PartialComment
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No because I don't have any but there was a ton of discussion about it last year and how obvious the play calling was. I beieve it was Rob Demovsky that wrote an article that he accurately predicted the Packers play calls based on the receiver groupings a significant amount of time (I don't remember the %, but it was eye-opening for sure).Originally posted by sharpe1027Comment
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Partial is right. Swain used BOTH of his hands when he tackled Wolfe, so he saved the game double-handedly. As far as how many guys would have made that play, all I know is John Kuhn wouldn't have, because he stood there watching Wolfe run through the giant hole right in front of him.Originally posted by Partial
It's at the 2:45 mark in this video-
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Watching that video makes me wish our week 1 D. Can we please attack like this every single week?!?Originally posted by get louder at lambeauComment
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Translation: I got served so i will deflect to another criticism of the pack.Originally posted by PartialComment
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???Originally posted by Tyrone Bigguns
What attributes of that play lead you to believe that any other NFL player could not make it? He didn't do anything special or even solid. It's a case of right place at the right time. Stupid play by Bears, not an exceptional play by Packers.Comment
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There is a huge difference between running most of the time when Ruvell and Nelson are both in the game (which might be very infrequent) and what you said. Huge.Originally posted by Partial
Frankly, you just provided evidence of how crappy of a receiving combo Ruvell and Nelson were together. The Packers hardly ever threw when they were both out there...Comment
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Watch it again. Swain is lined up far left, and starts to punt rush before reading the play and dropping back to cover the inside. Nothing special or even solid? You're joking, right?Originally posted by PartialComment
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Why would they throw when they have their 4th and 5th receivers out there and their two elite guys on the bench? They were out there for their running blocking. Because they were the two best run blocking receivers on the team.Originally posted by sharpe1027
I agree with you on the first part. The two statements are independent. The two receivers were out there for most running plays as far as I remember. If not most, it was still a significant enough margin that I remember this, and I recall many others bringing it up around here as well.
glal, like I said, it's impossible to proof either way that many other players couldn't make that play, but from what I've seen Swain isn't a special or elite player, merely average 5th at best 5th wideout and decent ST guy. I find it hard to believe that many others couldn't have done the same thing.
That said, it was a heads up play. Certainly not a bad one. I expect every single Packer in that position to make that same play every single time.Comment
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I'm not some huge Swain fan. Just saying that play was pretty impressive. There were about 5 other Packers lined up closer to the hole he ran through, and none of them made the play. If Swain didn't read and react so quickly, Wolfe was gone.Originally posted by PartialComment
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First, you are making a dumb argument about "could not make." Almost any player at his position can make the same the same plays. The differences in physical talent is very small in the NFL.Originally posted by Partial
Now, stopping a play isn't special or solid. So, doing his job isn't solid? Sorry, but defending that play is special. Those plays are rare to begin with, so by that it is a special play...because you don't see fakes that often.
Kuhn didn't react. We have countless examples of teams running fakes where people arent' aware, caught napping.
Mr. swain wasn't caught knapping, and he made the play.
Lastly, being in the right place at the right time is also a skill and something that many players never master. Just being in the right place is hard for many players. Ever watch the game....seems you can see defenders leave the right place all the time.
He made the play. He saved the game. Ruvell didn't and hasn't. He isn't even making catches for the Rams.Comment
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Ruvell Martin was nothing special, just a big reciever. With Finley breaking out during the preseason there was less need for him. Swain added more to the special teams. I honestly wanted to keep Clowney over Martin a few years ago, but that was mainly because I'm a VT fan.
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I think it was Torrance Marshall who perfected being in "the wrong place, at the wrong time".Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.Comment
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