Seriously WTF?

[bobblehead]

I for one am going to try and do my part in this way. I'm not going to mention the vikings QB anytime other than this week since we are playing the vikes. If I need to use a QB as an example of what I'm talking about i'll use a different one.

I have no real new opinions on the guy anyway, and I won't pursuade anyone on him anymore than I'll get Ty to vote republican in the 2010 elections, so why bother.

[red]

awhile back a handfull of posters joined up together from jso. they stirred the pot and acted like complete assholes hen they got here. that caused posters here to act like complete assholes back. then it spread

those posters brought the bad shit from jso with them, no one was allowed an opposite opinion, and when someone was wrong about something, they got it shoved back in their faces

i think if we still would have had the old attitude, we would have survived the favre drama and whatnot

instead we went from a big happy family to a big shattered mess

i too have problems getting myself to even come on here these days

and some of the peple in this thread need to take a good hard look in the mirror

[MichiganPackerFan]

- Outlaw all political posts, pornographic discussion/photos (even in garbage can). Politics never lead to a friendly environment.

we already took it out of the romper room and put it in the FYI...seriously, don't fucking go in there. If you take away the FYI I'll leave for another site, politics is my main "hobby" other than football. I guess if I'm one you want to get rid of thats fine, but I would say by and large those of us who post in there don't let our feelings spill over to other forums.

I understand that Red and a few others despise politics so much that they wish them silenced, but seriously, the FYI is almost like another site entirely, why the need to eliminate it?

Agreed. When the FYI thread began on JSO it was hard to ignore and consequently hard NOT to get heated. Here it's a totally separate section. I hit the romper and packers. I could care less about the rest and it takes my active effort if I wanted to investigate those areas.

[Fritz]

I think it would be interesting to do a Maquerade for Halloween wherein everybody's name, avatar, and sig were replaced by something (or somebody) else. I know there is bulletin board software that can do this, but I don't know if ours can. I wonder how we'd all interact without years of biases and history to base our interactions on. There seem to be some lightning rod posters who just attract negative attention based on their history, less the actual content of their posts.

I am not sure I like this. I don't want to take Fritz home by mistake after the masquerade party and get a surprise.

Are you Drew Barrymore?

[red]

- Outlaw all political posts, pornographic discussion/photos (even in garbage can). Politics never lead to a friendly environment.

we already took it out of the romper room and put it in the FYI...seriously, don't fucking go in there. If you take away the FYI I'll leave for another site, politics is my main "hobby" other than football. I guess if I'm one you want to get rid of thats fine, but I would say by and large those of us who post in there don't let our feelings spill over to other forums.

I understand that Red and a few others despise politics so much that they wish them silenced, but seriously, the FYI is almost like another site entirely, why the need to eliminate it?

i don't despise it at all. i agree with partial on this. politics doesn't lead to a friendly environment. it never has and it never will. its always going to be a heated debate. i have been a member on many political sites and they all died, they turned to jumbled shit much like what we see here today

you just can't discuss politics online, it doesn't work. you'll never listen to anyone else and they'll never listen to you. its like yelling at a brick wall

PR never use to have political rambling and it use to be fine. then it showed up and YES IT DID, run over into every thing else in the forum. and that "i'm absolutely right, and you're absolutely wrong" mindset spread. some people like probably you, love that environment. but that was never packer rats

i will say i think things have gotten better since mad created your own room for that. but the fighting attitude had already spread and ruined the forum

political discussion is find=e, but on a forum it has to be separated and contained or it ill ruin a forum IMO. and thats from a lot of personal experience
IMO

[Cheesehead Craig]

So, to the faithful posters here that see the forum "dying", I ask a question. Why are those guests not signing up and giving us their opinions, insight, and thoughts? I ask that both retorically and expecting responses.

Don't forget that a portion - I have no idea how many - of those "guests" are just us when we're too lazy to sign in. When I just want to check the packer section, I don't sign in.

As far as not signing up, and for that matter, regulars not posting, I offer the AJ Hawk lovers thread as an example of why I don't post much in the Packer forum. There is a discussion to be had about his play versus his draft status and/or paycheck and his playing time. But the thread started in an asshole manner with the title, and has generally stayed the course from there - in large part due to one poster. People argue this poster's point and get a jerk-off emoticon in response followed by more baiting that's mainly someone using specific stats to back their personal opinion and ignoring any argument made against it. It's the kind of shit that gets responses because people get a little annoyed or riled up at the disingenuous nature of the posts, but it's not a healthy discussion of the points that are there to be argued. I don't think there's even a problem with insults being tossed around - as long as the discussions are being argued with some kind of intellectual honesty. That isn't happening a lot.

Intelligent contributions in a lot of threads are regularly disregarded, mocked, and insulted in unclever ways that don't even advance the argument. Why post anything substantive when all you're going to get back is a smiley face wanking off? As an aside, you could probably stand to get rid of that emoticon.

It goes back to what you say about personal accountability I guess. If that guy wants to be an asshole about something without really breaking any "rules," I guess we can't stop him. All we can do is not respond. Unfortunately, a lot of us aren't good at that.

Extremely well stated Skin.

[Deputy Nutz]

- Outlaw all political posts, pornographic discussion/photos (even in garbage can). Politics never lead to a friendly environment.

we already took it out of the romper room and put it in the FYI...seriously, don't fucking go in there. If you take away the FYI I'll leave for another site, politics is my main "hobby" other than football. I guess if I'm one you want to get rid of thats fine, but I would say by and large those of us who post in there don't let our feelings spill over to other forums.

I understand that Red and a few others despise politics so much that they wish them silenced, but seriously, the FYI is almost like another site entirely, why the need to eliminate it?

i don't despise it at all. i agree with partial on this. politics doesn't lead to a friendly environment. it never has and it never will. its always going to be a heated debate. i have been a member on many political sites and they all died, they turned to jumbled shit much like what we see here today

you just can't discuss politics online, it doesn't work. you'll never listen to anyone else and they'll never listen to you. its like yelling at a brick wall

PR never use to have political rambling and it use to be fine. then it showed up and YES IT DID, run over into every thing else in the forum. and that "i'm absolutely right, and you're absolutely wrong" mindset spread. some people like probably you, love that environment. but that was never packer rats

i will say i think things have gotten better since mad created your own room for that. but the fighting attitude had already spread and ruined the forum

political discussion is find=e, but on a forum it has to be separated and contained or it ill ruin a forum IMO. and thats from a lot of personal experience
IMO

Really FYI is just a lot of banter at this point, if people really think they are going to change each other's minds in that forum then they are dumb nuts crazy.

I guess my feeling right now, and I mean this with no disrespect intended, but I feel like a child in a crummy daycare that shit my pants and allowed to stew in it all day. Nothing is being changed, nothing is being upgraded. Where the fuck is the baby powder?

[Zool]

Youre right Zool but if you dont see how you played a part youre not as cool as I have always thought. Maybe you should look in the mirror? Just about all of us will be guilty to some level. Maybe you let up with the one word post with dumb shit?

Yeah I know I haven't been as good of a contributor lately and I feel some blame for it. If I didn't give a fuck I wouldnt have even started this thread. If you think you're helping by coming here and berating 6-7 posters once a week then you're wrong as well. I've been trying to just throw out actual football talk lately and leave the other stuff for the GC.

I still love the other forums because they are what they were meant to be. The Romper Room is goofy and has no direct purpose but there is VERY little bickering. The FYI is a political forum so bickering is basically an understood thing there. Its specifically the Packer forum I'm referring to.

It should be the life blood of this place with everything else as a bonus and maybe its just me but it seems like the quantity of football posts has been going down and the sniping back and forth has gone up exponentially. Maybe that comes with having a larger readership?

It just seems to me that if someone doesn't have facts about a football topic but feels very strongly about it, they will argue to the death that their opinion is correct for whatever reason even when given 1000 facts to the contrary.

This whole thing is just my opinion though. I'm not trying to tell anyone else how to feel, I'm just venting because this place used to be perfect and it can be again. I know it can. I wish I knew exactly how but I don't claim to.

[mngolf19]

Old bitties are much more genteel even when their stool softeners don't work.

Experience?

[Rastak]

Interesting thread.

Rastak, if you're looking for me to solve what ails this forum, we're screwed. I can control a few folks, and ban a few, but I can't fix the discussion.

All of you have to do that.

Not a bad point.

[Partial]

- Outlaw all political posts, pornographic discussion/photos (even in garbage can). Politics never lead to a friendly environment.

we already took it out of the romper room and put it in the FYI...seriously, don't fucking go in there. If you take away the FYI I'll leave for another site, politics is my main "hobby" other than football. I guess if I'm one you want to get rid of thats fine, but I would say by and large those of us who post in there don't let our feelings spill over to other forums.

I understand that Red and a few others despise politics so much that they wish them silenced, but seriously, the FYI is almost like another site entirely, why the need to eliminate it?

It's not my site so obviously I don't have any say, but in my opinion anything off topic that isn't really light hearted leads to hurt feelings which leads to hostility.

[mmmdk]

Interesting thread.

Rastak, if you're looking for me to solve what ails this forum, we're screwed. I can control a few folks, and ban a few, but I can't fix the discussion.

All of you have to do that.

Not a bad point.

...so the glass is half full, Ras? With a broken glass? I, personally, can't make PR a better place but I'll try to not make it worse. OK?

[MichiganPackerFan]

Interesting thread.

Rastak, if you're looking for me to solve what ails this forum, we're screwed. I can control a few folks, and ban a few, but I can't fix the discussion.

All of you have to do that.

Not a bad point.

...so the glass is half full, Ras? With a broken glass? I, personally, can't make PR a better place but I'll try to not make it worse. OK?

Hey, we get everyone committed to that and we're in a much better place. Damage limited and opportunity to move forward. Im in!

[Brandon494]

As far as not signing up, and for that matter, regulars not posting, I offer the AJ Hawk lovers thread as an example of why I don't post much in the Packer forum. There is a discussion to be had about his play versus his draft status and/or paycheck and his playing time. But the thread started in an asshole manner with the title, and has generally stayed the course from there - in large part due to one poster. People argue this poster's point and get a jerk-off emoticon in response followed by more baiting that's mainly someone using specific stats to back their personal opinion and ignoring any argument made against it. It's the kind of shit that gets responses because people get a little annoyed or riled up at the disingenuous nature of the posts, but it's not a healthy discussion of the points that are there to be argued. I don't think there's even a problem with insults being tossed around - as long as the discussions are being argued with some kind of intellectual honesty. That isn't happening a lot.

Intelligent contributions in a lot of threads are regularly disregarded, mocked, and insulted in unclever ways that don't even advance the argument. Why post anything substantive when all you're going to get back is a smiley face wanking off? As an aside, you could probably stand to get rid of that emoticon.

It goes back to what you say about personal accountability I guess. If that guy wants to be an asshole about something without really breaking any "rules," I guess we can't stop him. All we can do is not respond. Unfortunately, a lot of us aren't good at that.

Give me a fucking break, maybe if you didn't quote everything I said with a jackass response I wouldn't be posting the "bs" emoticons.

Seriously someone with a smiling dick for their avatar really getting that pissed over a smiley face wanking off.

[MJZiggy]

Old bitties are much more genteel even when their stool softeners don't work.

Experience?

Observation. And with an 84-year old mother I have the bitties around to compare you ladies with.