Farve: 12 TDs / 3 INTs - How to beat him on Sunday?

[Kiwon]

Well, before Farve's fumble and INT (not his fault) in the 4th Quarter last Sunday, he was almost downright efficient.

In fact, he's been relatively efficient all year. I guess there are benefits to turning 40. Where is the wild gunslinger throwing into triple coverage?

When's the last time Farve had only thrown 3 INTs after 7 games? Is that a personal record?

So how do the Packers harrass one of the greatest QBs and coolest customers ever to play the game?

[ThunderDan]

Re: Favre: 12 TDs / 3 INTs - How to beat him on Sunday?

Well, before Favre's fumble and INT (not his fault) in the 4th Quarter last Sunday, he was almost downright efficient.

In fact, he's been relatively efficient all year. I guess there are benefits to turning 40. Where is the wild gunslinger throwing into triple coverage?

When's the last time Favre had only thrown 3 INTs after 7 games? Is that a personal record?

So how do the Packers harrass one of the greatest QBs and coolest customers ever to play the game?

I think it is simple. Make the Vikings play from behind and I know it's hard to do. Pittsburg had the lead most of the game and Minnesota threw 51 passes. I think when MN goes away from AD it hurts their chances.

[sharpe1027]

Re: Favre: 12 TDs / 3 INTs - How to beat him on Sunday?

Well, before Favre's fumble and INT (not his fault) in the 4th Quarter last Sunday, he was almost downright efficient.

In fact, he's been relatively efficient all year. I guess there are benefits to turning 40. Where is the wild gunslinger throwing into triple coverage?

When's the last time Favre had only thrown 3 INTs after 7 games? Is that a personal record?

So how do the Packers harrass one of the greatest QBs and coolest customers ever to play the game?

1.) Stop AD, both in the pass and the run.
2.) Get pressure up the middle (easier said than done).
3.) Get ahead early - this will result in throws into triple coverage.
4.) Order in a cold front.
5.) Keep him off the field with a good run game.

[3irty1]

Getting a lead I think is the most important thing. Childress seems to shit down his leg when he's down. Unfortunately the acquisition of a real NFL qb means that they don't automatically lose when in pass happy mode.

The Vikings have some good young receivers on their team. I don't think its Favre making them look good as much as it was Jackson making them look bad. Sid Rice might be becoming a real number one receiver. Both him and Harvin are probably scarier than Berrian who I thought might be their only productive receiver this season.

The Packers secondary is still second to none and as long as Favre doesn't have ten seconds to throw every third down, stopping their running game has to be McCarthy's focus.

[sharpe1027]

As much as he get's ripped on, I think that the return of Bigby really opens up Caper's options. If we can get them in a position that they can't hand the ball off to AD 75% of the plays, look for some unusual blitz packages. Otherwise, they'll probably focus on contain first, pass-rush second.

[PackerTimer]

They have to get pressure on him. We can say all we want about blitzes but the fact is the Packers just did not win any individual battles in Minnesota. They got whipped on the offensive and defensive lines. So, we need Kampman, Jenkins, Jolly, Barnett and everybody else to not get stood up at the line of scrimmage. Minnesota's offensive line isn't all that good (except for when they played us) Favre has been hit an awful lot this year. We need to take better advantage of it this weekend.

[Fritz]

Packertimer has a good point. It's not about blitzing; it's about the three or four rushers beating the guy or guys in front of them.

[Deputy Nutz]

you have to be able to get presure with the front 4. I know some experts like Leroy Butler believe that you have to blitz Favre into mistakes, but if you bring blitzes he knows where the single coverage is going to be.

Make Favre hold onto the football, he makes some of his best plays when he free lances, but he also makes his worst plays as well. Keep him in the pocket with his eyes down the middle of the field. Coverage in the secondary has to be really good, good coverage will beat Favre.

If the Packers can stop the run with their front seven, no more then they can keep enough guys in coverage to play zone.

Safeties and middle linebackers brutalize Favre when it comes to interceptions. Safety play is crucial. The Packers need to fool Favre into throwing late over the middle.

Again I hope Favre shreds the Packers, but I want to add to constructive conversation.

[sharpe1027]

I think part of it was the Packers were focused first on run. They were maintaining their responsibilities rather than shooting up the field looking to get big plays. Get the Vikings behind and they can start attacking more.

[MichiganPackerFan]

you have to be able to get presure with the front 4. I know some experts like Leroy Butler believe that you have to blitz Favre into mistakes, but if you bring blitzes he knows where the single coverage is going to be.

Does converting to a completely new defensive scheme limit this? He may have the savy vet and know certain players tendencies, but he doesn't know this scheme any more than film study.

[Zool]

I've only watched a couple Viking games so far this year but it seems like this week they were specifically trying to go downfield more than usual. The first few week were way more screens and shallow crossing routes than deep outs and go routes.

If you can slow up AP, take away the screens you can beat them with solid safety play. Can we get that this week?

[Deputy Nutz]

you have to be able to get presure with the front 4. I know some experts like Leroy Butler believe that you have to blitz Favre into mistakes, but if you bring blitzes he knows where the single coverage is going to be.

Does converting to a completely new defensive scheme limit this? He may have the savy vet and know certain players tendencies, but he doesn't know this scheme any more than film study.

It is not like this defense was created yesterday. It has been around for 35 years. Sure Favre hasn't had the years of practice against it, but he has been around the block a few times with the 3-4.

Also I don't care what defense you play. If you can't get pressure on the quarterback, and you can't cover receivers then it doesn't matter. The Packers did neither 3 games ago.

[denverYooper]

I've only watched a couple Viking games so far this year but it seems like this week they were specifically trying to go downfield more than usual. The first few week were way more screens and shallow crossing routes than deep outs and go routes.

If you can slow up AP, take away the screens you can beat them with solid safety play. Can we get that this week?

Good question. IIRC, Collins was dropped inside quite a bit last game basically playing SS because of Bigby's injury and Martin was up top getting scorched. Hopefully, it's a different game with Bigby back and Collins in his usual position.

[MichiganPackerFan]

you have to be able to get presure with the front 4. I know some experts like Leroy Butler believe that you have to blitz Favre into mistakes, but if you bring blitzes he knows where the single coverage is going to be.

Does converting to a completely new defensive scheme limit this? He may have the savy vet and know certain players tendencies, but he doesn't know this scheme any more than film study.

It is not like this defense was created yesterday. It has been around for 35 years. Sure Favre hasn't had the years of practice against it, but he has been around the block a few times with the 3-4.

Also I don't care what defense you play. If you can't get pressure on the quarterback, and you can't cover receivers then it doesn't matter. The Packers did neither 3 games ago.

Totally agree with you on the pressure. And I think #4 is savy and knows the game. I just don't think he has the familiarity with the Packers Defense that a lot of the talking heads have claimed (not yourself btw!)

[mngolf19]

I've only watched a couple Viking games so far this year but it seems like this week they were specifically trying to go downfield more than usual. The first few week were way more screens and shallow crossing routes than deep outs and go routes.

If you can slow up AP, take away the screens you can beat them with solid safety play. Can we get that this week?

I think the change in passes is due to chemistry and comfort of Favre and his receivers. So far I think the Browns are the only team to play the Vikes straight up. Everyone else has gone "stop the run and make Favre beat us". I don't know that scheme on D is going to make a difference. It really will come down to scoring early and often (tds not fgs) so your D can play more aggressive. Vikes are more talented(in my opinion) so you have to try and force it issue in your favor instead of playing straight.