V.Y. to start versus Jags!

[bobblehead]

I didnt know Vince was 21-11 as a starter and has won his last SEVEN starts

They went 13-3 with pretty much a caretaker at QB so with VYs apparent maturity they would be dumb to draft anothe qb and have to give up another high signing bonus...

People greatly overlook a players ability to win games. Instead, they focus on the stat sheet. I'm not at all surprised that Vince starts playing and suddenly the 0-6 team is 3-6. Instead of saying, hey, VY might be alright, everyone is just saying Chris Johnson is out of this world... Well, CJ led them to an 0-6 record to start the season...

Dude is a straight up winner.

Partial, this is a very talented team...I actually might have picked them to be in the AFCC, can't recall for sure.

Most people don't "focus" on the stat sheet, they use it to support an argument. ARod is playing good football, he has flaws too. The stat sheet supports the argument that he isn't "losing" the games. The same stat sheet might also support the argument that VY is the beneficiery of a talented team turning it around.

Q: Have you watched the VY led Titans? Did you watch them prior to him? They look like a different team. NFL teams go thru ups and downs.

Now I'm not saying he ISN'T playing well, I'm saying there are about 5 reasons they are winning lately that have nothing to do with VY, just as there are about 500 reasons the pack is losing (and winning) that have nothing to do with ARod. ARod has had exactly ONE bad game this season, and I would put the dallas game as probably middle of the road for him.

This is a TEAM game, but the QB is undoubtedly the most important position, HOWEVER he can't win or lose all by his lonesome.....ok, if his name is cutler he might be able to lose all by his lonesome.

[Cheesehead Craig]

One thing is that since VY started is that TN has gone much more run heavy.

Johnson has gone from 16 carries/game to 25 on avg.

Collins threw an avg of 33 passes/game to VY throwing 21

So it seems that the Titans are relying much more on the ground game while Vince has been the QB.

Add in that the defense went from giving up 33 ppg in the first 6 games to 19 ppg in the last 3 and there's several reasons for the Titan's turnaround.

Seems they had a "come to Jesus" meeting themselves during the bye week.

[Scott Campbell]

If VY was all that he surely would have beat out ancient journeyman Kerry Collins long ago. And Vince didn't even win the starting gig - Collins lost it. Partial has him massively over-rated. VY would still be on the bench if Bud Adams hadn't flipped off Jeff Fisher. And the Titans QB position has been upgraded from horrible to marginally adequate.

[MOBB DEEP]

First game in prime time tonite: will he have coming out performance and lead Tenn to 4th straight W?

[mraynrand]

First game in prime time tonite: will he have coming out performance and lead Tenn to 4th straight W?

Vince Young is gay?

[mraynrand]

One thing is that since VY started is that TN has gone much more run heavy.

Johnson has gone from 16 carries/game to 25 on avg.

Collins threw an avg of 33 passes/game to VY throwing 21

So it seems that the Titans are relying much more on the ground game while Vince has been the QB.

Add in that the defense went from giving up 33 ppg in the first 6 games to 19 ppg in the last 3 and there's several reasons for the Titan's turnaround.

Seems they had a "come to Jesus" meeting themselves during the bye week.

Good analysis.

[steve823]

One thing is that since VY started is that TN has gone much more run heavy.

Johnson has gone from 16 carries/game to 25 on avg.

Collins threw an avg of 33 passes/game to VY throwing 21

So it seems that the Titans are relying much more on the ground game while Vince has been the QB.

Add in that the defense went from giving up 33 ppg in the first 6 games to 19 ppg in the last 3 and there's several reasons for the Titan's turnaround.

Seems they had a "come to Jesus" meeting themselves during the bye week.

Completely agree.I don't get some of these ridiculous posts stating that Vince Young is god. Clearly he is not, he has shown his inability to be a consistent passer and couldn't even start over Collins for a while. This offense IMO revolves around Chris Johnson and their offensive line. You can add in their Te's and maybe some rollouts and running with VY ,but without Chirs Johnson and their O-line VY would look like Culpepper did in Detroit.

[SkinBasket]

In related news Jack Ikegwuonu played professional football for the first time this weekend. He didn't record any stats.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

I have to watch the Titans just about every week if I'm not at a sports bar watching the Pack. Injuries tore apart the team very early in the year, especially to their secondary. A defense learning how to play without their best defensive player and missing several key starters from last year can be down right awful. One player can matter in the NFL. Coaches are so great at scheming these days that they can find 1 or 2 places of weakness and attack relentlessly.

Vince Young is no great quarterback. He is a great playmaker, but has the uncanny ability to actually lose games for his team they should have won. This is why he was ousted to begin with. Out of all the games we have watched Rodgers play he has not single-handedly lost us one game. The same can't be said for VY, or even Favre for that matter(she's a witch!).

Before you go annoiting Vince you need to realize that he will never be able to win with an inferior defense. VY just cannot pass the ball 40 times a game and win.

[SnakeLH2006]

In related news Jack Ikegwuonu played professional football for the first time this weekend. He didn't record any stats.

Wasn't he projected to be a 1st rounder CB pick out of WI a few years back...I think he blew his knee out and slipped to the 3rd or so. Same guy, Skin? He has helluva talent/size if he's healthy.

[Partial]

One thing is that since VY started is that TN has gone much more run heavy.

Johnson has gone from 16 carries/game to 25 on avg.

Collins threw an avg of 33 passes/game to VY throwing 21

So it seems that the Titans are relying much more on the ground game while Vince has been the QB.

Add in that the defense went from giving up 33 ppg in the first 6 games to 19 ppg in the last 3 and there's several reasons for the Titan's turnaround.

Seems they had a "come to Jesus" meeting themselves during the bye week.

Good analysis. Johnson is definitely getting more touches and is a stud. Perhaps they're throwing the ball less and less because of preceding as well as being in games (not being down -- thus having to throw).

It is true that Young would not be starting if it wasn't for Adams but that doesn't mean he isn't doing well with his opportunity. Fisher is said to be extremely loyal to his guys and was going to stick with Collins, is my understanding, anyway.

It will be interesting to see what he does tonight but I suspect he leads his team to a win.

[Scott Campbell]

One thing is that since VY started is that TN has gone much more run heavy.

Johnson has gone from 16 carries/game to 25 on avg.

Collins threw an avg of 33 passes/game to VY throwing 21

So it seems that the Titans are relying much more on the ground game while Vince has been the QB.

Add in that the defense went from giving up 33 ppg in the first 6 games to 19 ppg in the last 3 and there's several reasons for the Titan's turnaround.

Seems they had a "come to Jesus" meeting themselves during the bye week.

Good analysis. Johnson is definitely getting more touches and is a stud. Perhaps they're throwing the ball less and less because of preceding as well as being in games (not being down -- thus having to throw).

It is true that Young would not be starting if it wasn't for Adams but that doesn't mean he isn't doing well with his opportunity. Fisher is said to be extremely loyal to his guys and was going to stick with Collins, is my understanding, anyway.

It will be interesting to see what he does tonight but I suspect he leads his team to a win.

Loyalty? Young lost his job to Collins under Fisher's watch. It didn't seem like loyalty played a role there.

Collins threw 33 passes per game which is low. For comparison, Rodgers threw 45 times yesterday. 21 times a game is unusually low.

They've scaled back the playbook to cover up VY's inadequacies. But he's a hell of a runner.

[SnakeLH2006]

Loyalty? Young lost his job to Collins under Fisher's watch. It didn't seem like loyalty played a role there. 21 times a game is unusually low.

They've scaled back the playbook to cover up VY's inadequacies.

That's it in a nutshell, Scott. Vince lost his job because he couldn't learn the playbook/routes/read the D to Fisher's liking (been reported repeatedly in the media). Also, Fischer wanted a guy who could run the offense and do the things he wanted to minimize mistakes. Collins was that guy. Being 0-6, with a crappy D and beat up team, it was time to see if Vince could do anything, so more power to him, but it was definitely Bud Adam's call, and not Coach Fisher's decision to play VY again.

[MichiganPackerFan]

Chris Johnson is fun to watch. It seems like he can move as fast laterally as he can north-south.

[SkinBasket]

In related news Jack Ikegwuonu played professional football for the first time this weekend. He didn't record any stats.

Wasn't he projected to be a 1st rounder CB pick out of WI a few years back...I think he blew his knee out and slipped to the 3rd or so. Same guy, Skin? He has helluva talent/size if he's healthy.

Some people thought he was a 1st rounder. Some people thought he was a top 10 pick because their roomate's sister's cousin's babysitter's boyfriend had drinks with his agent and guaranteed as much.

Others - notably some pro scouts - thought he wasn't worth more than a 3rd or 4th before he blew out his knee. Philly obviously thought he was worth the gamble of a 4th. He had the size and measurables, but his talent was overhyped by some, mostly those who were fans, his mental ability to play in a defensive system was questionable, and he had a couple off-field thug moments involving pills, pot, and burglary. He spent most of last season on the PS, and only now - almost 2 years after the injury has he seen the field, so I'm not convinced he's ever going to be anything other than a 4th or 5th DB. The knee injury does provide a convenient, though legitimate, excuse for those who had him as top 10 talent, I suppose. It's too bad he couldn't fail on his own though so those people could be proven wrong.