Mike McCarthy is NOT the answer.

[Chevelle2]

I think McCarthy's failure in big games is the worst item on his resume. In the NFL, it is all about winning the big games. The lack of team discipline is the second worst thing about him. The "We are gonna get that fixed" mantra is wearing thin.

If this team doesn't do better than 8-8, I think Thompson needs to think long and hard about the coaching staff...considering the wealth of coaching candidates currently available.

Agree.

What have been our big games under MM since 06?

@Dallas - team didn't show up
NYG - team didn't show up
SEA - Favre and Grant played very well, but we started 0-14.
IND - Great game
@Min - played hard, but they pulled away late
Min - didnt show up until the 2nd half, and it was too late then

Not a good resume.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I think McCarthy's failure in big games is the worst item on his resume. In the NFL, it is all about winning the big games. The lack of team discipline is the second worst thing about him. The "We are gonna get that fixed" mantra is wearing thin.

If this team doesn't do better than 8-8, I think Thompson needs to think long and hard about the coaching staff...considering the wealth of coaching candidates currently available.

Agree.

What have been our big games under MM since 06?

@Dallas - team didn't show up
NYG - team didn't show up
SEA - Favre and Grant played very well, but we started 0-14.
IND - Great game
@Min - played hard, but they pulled away late
Min - didnt show up until the 2nd half, and it was too late then

Not a good resume.

coincidentally, every one of those games Favre played in.

Maybe not IND...since i don't know what this is.

[pbmax]

No, sadly he had it across the line before he lost his grip on it.

But the rules for a catch have changed. If he was going down in the act of catching the ball and did not control it when hitting the ground, its an incompletion. What I don't know, and what the replay did not show, was how many steps he took before crossing the goal line. If he was going down as he was catching it (instead of running across the goal line in possession) then that wasn't a catch. Its no guarantee, as the NFL has ruled on this inconsistently this year.

[Chevelle2]

I think McCarthy's failure in big games is the worst item on his resume. In the NFL, it is all about winning the big games. The lack of team discipline is the second worst thing about him. The "We are gonna get that fixed" mantra is wearing thin.

If this team doesn't do better than 8-8, I think Thompson needs to think long and hard about the coaching staff...considering the wealth of coaching candidates currently available.

Agree.

What have been our big games under MM since 06?

@Dallas - team didn't show up
NYG - team didn't show up
SEA - Favre and Grant played very well, but we started 0-14.
IND - Great game
@Min - played hard, but they pulled away late
Min - didnt show up until the 2nd half, and it was too late then

Not a good resume.

coincidentally, every one of those games Favre played in.

Maybe not IND...since i don't know what this is.

Indianapolis last year. And yes, all that Favre played in, because we were so bad in 08 nothing was a big game lol.

[pbmax]

MM is disappointing. Play calling is too conservative. Too many penalties and special team breakdowns.

You seem to have reached a conclusion in complete opposition to others who watched the game. Can you site an example of his over-cautious ways?

How many deep passes? What about trick plays and misdirections? Reverses? My goodness as Aikman mentioned the Vikings all run to the ball quickly. The secondary was also inexperienced.

IMO MM failed to fully exploit the Viking weaknesses. Played not too lose.

11 of 41 pass attempts were deep throws according to the NFL Gamebook. And that tells us nothing of the attempts that resulted in sacks. I think this criticism is misplaced. That seems to be testing a secondary. And remember, the entire Viking D approach to pass defense was to deny the deep passing game.

Vikings may run to the ball quickly, but we had plenty of YAC yards in this game. We also needed to protect the QB better in the second half. And while the Packers did little to demonstrate this, the vaunted Viking running defense has shown some serious holes this year.

Putting the ball in the air 41 times is not playing conservatively. The Vikings short passing game won them the game.

[Fosco33]

The playing calling was pretty suspect - especially in the 1st half. Maybe M3's press conferences are meant to throw misdirections. I wish his playcalling did the same.

1st series - interrupted by Rodgers losing 7 yards on 2nd down. Punt
2nd series - 3 straight passes. Punt
3rd series (on MN 21) - 3rd and 5 - Rodgers sacked. FG
4th series - 3rd and 1 (pass) - Rodgers sacked. Punt
5th series - after a Rodgers sack - 3rd and 18 and incomplete pass. Punt
6th series - first 1st down since opening drive - another sack. Punt.


I can't blame M3 for Rodgers inability to ditch the ball or run for easy 1st downs. But that was downright the worst half of football in about 10 years. Pathetic.

[pbmax]

The playing calling was pretty suspect - especially in the 1st half. Maybe M3's press conferences are meant to throw misdirections. I wish his playcalling did the same.

1st series - interrupted by Rodgers losing 7 yards on 2nd down. Punt
2nd series - 3 straight passes. Punt
3rd series (on MN 21) - 3rd and 5 - Rodgers sacked. FG
4th series - 3rd and 1 (pass) - Rodgers sacked. Punt
5th series - after a Rodgers sack - 3rd and 18 and incomplete pass. Punt
6th series - first 1st down since opening drive - another sack. Punt.


I can't blame M3 for Rodgers inability to ditch the ball or run for easy 1st downs. But that was downright the worst half of football in about 10 years. Pathetic.

Radio guys said he looked like a different player in the first half. Like 2005 Aaron Rodgers.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

The playing calling was pretty suspect - especially in the 1st half. Maybe M3's press conferences are meant to throw misdirections. I wish his playcalling did the same.

1st series - interrupted by Rodgers losing 7 yards on 2nd down. Punt
2nd series - 3 straight passes. Punt
3rd series (on MN 21) - 3rd and 5 - Rodgers sacked. FG
4th series - 3rd and 1 (pass) - Rodgers sacked. Punt
5th series - after a Rodgers sack - 3rd and 18 and incomplete pass. Punt
6th series - first 1st down since opening drive - another sack. Punt.


I can't blame M3 for Rodgers inability to ditch the ball or run for easy 1st downs. But that was downright the worst half of football in about 10 years. Pathetic.

Guess you didn't catch that Tenn vs. Pats game this year.

IMHO, Arod played poorly, but at least he wasn't throwing picks and making bonehead plays. The fact that he didn't, allowed us to get back in the game. If Arod has a typical bad qb day..couple of picks and it woulda been 35 to X at half.

[pbmax]

The playing calling was pretty suspect - especially in the 1st half. Maybe M3's press conferences are meant to throw misdirections. I wish his playcalling did the same.

1st series - interrupted by Rodgers losing 7 yards on 2nd down. Punt
2nd series - 3 straight passes. Punt
3rd series (on MN 21) - 3rd and 5 - Rodgers sacked. FG
4th series - 3rd and 1 (pass) - Rodgers sacked. Punt
5th series - after a Rodgers sack - 3rd and 18 and incomplete pass. Punt
6th series - first 1st down since opening drive - another sack. Punt.


I can't blame M3 for Rodgers inability to ditch the ball or run for easy 1st downs. But that was downright the worst half of football in about 10 years. Pathetic.

Guess you didn't catch that Tenn vs. Pats game this year.

IMHO, Arod played poorly, but at least he wasn't throwing picks and making bonehead plays. The fact that he didn't, allowed us to get back in the game. If Arod has a typical bad qb day..couple of picks and it woulda been 35 to X at half.

Odd that McCarthy's philosophy for his QB does not spillover to the rest of the positions on the team.

[packrulz]

The Packers lost to a very powerful team on a roll right now, Minny is right up there with Indy and New Orleans, and the Packers didn't get blown out, they were in position to win the game. And that's with a rookie left tackle (Lang) starting against a pro bowl DE (Allen). Sure, there were some things I would've done differently, but the Vikings were jacked up as usual and don't have many weaknesses to exploit. I do think M3 needs to coach ARod to throw the ball away instead of taking a sack and going backwards, the line needs to stop the stupid penalties, and they need to execute better on special teams. The loss hurts but the season is far from over, so step away from the ledge.

[MJZiggy]

On some of those, he didn't even need to throw it away. He had running room in front of him, he just had to give up the pass and go for it.

[Smidgeon]

For all the comments and frustrations about M3 calling too many long passes, how do we know it wasn't AR electing to look for the long ball instead? As far as I understand it, each play has a progression. You look to one and if that isn't open progress to the next. Maybe AR doesn't trust the play to the point that he'll anticipate a completion window and simply holds the ball waiting for the long completion. Maybe M3 was calling plays with shorter routes but AR wasn't looking for them or didn't trust they'd be there.

I don't know if that was the case. But I thought I'd at least try to bring up the other possibility before we crucify M3. There are two things involved in every play: the play call and the execution. So which one was it?

[woodbuck27]

MM is way too soft and appears to me stiff on the sidelines. By now he should be showing us alot more fire. He has to take pressure off of Aaron Rodgers by relying more on a running game. MM has to be patient and not so much worry about losing but learn how to motivate wins.

When I watch Packer games on the tube it always seems to be about MM frozen on the sideline with his playbook in his face. Just MM and where are the other coach's. Maybe I'm seeing this wrong?

I see this:

MM .................................................. ..................................... TT.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

The playing calling was pretty suspect - especially in the 1st half. Maybe M3's press conferences are meant to throw misdirections. I wish his playcalling did the same.

1st series - interrupted by Rodgers losing 7 yards on 2nd down. Punt
2nd series - 3 straight passes. Punt
3rd series (on MN 21) - 3rd and 5 - Rodgers sacked. FG
4th series - 3rd and 1 (pass) - Rodgers sacked. Punt
5th series - after a Rodgers sack - 3rd and 18 and incomplete pass. Punt
6th series - first 1st down since opening drive - another sack. Punt.


I can't blame M3 for Rodgers inability to ditch the ball or run for easy 1st downs. But that was downright the worst half of football in about 10 years. Pathetic.

Guess you didn't catch that Tenn vs. Pats game this year.

IMHO, Arod played poorly, but at least he wasn't throwing picks and making bonehead plays. The fact that he didn't, allowed us to get back in the game. If Arod has a typical bad qb day..couple of picks and it woulda been 35 to X at half.

Odd that McCarthy's philosophy for his QB does not spillover to the rest of the positions on the team.

Just read this and was thinking the exact same thing. For all the praise he gets for reining in Bert and instilling discipline, it certainly doesn't present itself when examining the rest of the team.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

MM is way too soft and appears to me stiff on the sidelines. By now he should be showing us alot more fire. He has to take pressure off of Aaron Rodgers by relying more on a running game. MM has to be patient and not so much worry about losing but learn how to motivate wins.

When I watch Packer games on the tube it always seems to be about MM frozen on the sideline with his playbook in his face. Just MM and where are the other coach's. Maybe I'm seeing this wrong?

I see this:

MM .................................................. ..................................... TT.

1. You are placing YOUR values onto OUR coach. And, your values aren't wrong, but they aren't right either. Plenty of stiff and stoic coaches out there....Landry, Noll, etc.
2. EVERYONE including MM knows about the running game.
3. Patient, etc. How you know about his patience and what goes on behind closed doors is beyond me. You must have a rich and varied fantasy life.
4. Watch TV. Are you seriously going to judge off what YOU see on TV. Beyond the limited scope of time 3 plus hours, the camera angels/choice of shots, and the EXTREMELY short duration MM is actually on the screen you lack ANY sort of comparison to OTHER coaches.

Oh, and it is really dumb to base your thoughts about MM, TT, and the staff based on what you see on TV.

P.S. Reality shows aren't real.