THE TRENCHES

[ThunderDan]

The D has only been dominant against weak offenses.

How is that different than any other NFL team's defense?

Let's look at Denver.

CIN- 307 y
CLE- 200 y
OAK- 137 y
DAL- 315 y
NE- 305 y
SD- 311 y
BAL - 292 y

They averaged 168 ypg against OAK and CLE.
They averaged 306 ypg against CIN, DAL, NE, SD and BAL.

[ThunderDan]

How does an NFL team put up 137 yards?

[Partial]

Yards given up are the absolute stupidest stat to judge a defense.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

How does an NFL team put up 137 yards?

Haver you seen Jamarcus?

[ThunderDan]

Yards given up are the absolute stupidest stat to judge a defense.

ASSCLOWN ALERT!!!

[Smidgeon]

How does an NFL team put up 137 yards?

What did GB give up against Cleveland?

[ThunderDan]

Yards given up are the absolute stupidest stat to judge a defense.

Partial, I know you don't like me and I have posted I am not fond of you. But at least put some thought into your posts before responding.

I mean the NFL ranks defenses based on YPG and PPG. I am sure the NFL knows nothing about the game.

[Partial]

Yards given up are the absolute stupidest stat to judge a defense.

Partial, I know you don't like me and I have posted I am not fond of you. But at least put some thought into your posts before responding.

I mean the NFL ranks defenses based on YPG and PPG. I am sure the NFL knows nothing about the game.

My opinion of you has zero bearing on the stupidity of a stat like yards per game. It's like that Texans game where we got our asses kicked but Rodgers was a stud because he threw for 400 yards.

Points matter. The statistic that should matter is something to the effect of expected points per game (weighted by strength of opponent) / actual points given up per game. I'm by no means an actuary but yards per game is dumb as hell for so many reasons.

[mraynrand]

Yards given up are the absolute stupidest stat to judge a defense.

Partial, I know you don't like me and I have posted I am not fond of you. But at least put some thought into your posts before responding.

I mean the NFL ranks defenses based on YPG and PPG. I am sure the NFL knows nothing about the game.

My opinion of you has zero bearing on the stupidity of a stat like yards per game. It's like that Texans game where we got our asses kicked but Rodgers was a stud because he threw for 400 yards.

Points matter. The statistic that should matter is something to the effect of expected points per game (weighted by strength of opponent) / actual points given up per game. I'm by no means an actuary but yards per game is dumb as hell for so many reasons.

How good was the Packer defense in 2005?

[ThunderDan]

My opinion of you has zero bearing on the stupidity of a stat like yards per game. It's like that Texans game where we got our asses kicked but Rodgers was a stud because he threw for 400 yards.

Rodgers Texans stats 19/30 295 2TD 1INT

ARods biggest game last year was 328 yards. Where do you get your information from?

[Partial]

My opinion of you has zero bearing on the stupidity of a stat like yards per game. It's like that Texans game where we got our asses kicked but Rodgers was a stud because he threw for 400 yards.

Rodgers Texans stats 19/30 295 2TD 1INT

ARods biggest game last year was 328 yards. Where do you get your information from?

Dude I don't remember the exact stat of you being a dbag? Why are you nitpicking about the irrelevant side comment? Maybe it was that we gave up 400 yards but only like 17-20 points ish? Yards don't mean shit is the key factor that should be taken away from this discussion.

You should learn to focus on the important portion of the argument instead of the example, hypothetical or not, demonstrating a similar situation.

[mraynrand]

My opinion of you has zero bearing on the stupidity of a stat like yards per game. It's like that Texans game where we got our asses kicked but Rodgers was a stud because he threw for 400 yards.

Rodgers Texans stats 19/30 295 2TD 1INT

ARods biggest game last year was 328 yards. Where do you get your information from?

Dude I don't remember the exact stat of you being a dbag? Why are you nitpicking about the irrelevant side comment? Maybe it was that we gave up 400 yards but only like 17-20 points ish? Yards don't mean shit is the key factor that should be taken away from this discussion.

You should learn to focus on the important portion of the argument instead of the example, hypothetical or not, demonstrating a similar situation.

you don't argue your point very convincingly. But you seem to have a talent insulting people. The issue on the table is whether stats have meaning. You say they do not. Support your point.

[ThunderDan]

My opinion of you has zero bearing on the stupidity of a stat like yards per game. It's like that Texans game where we got our asses kicked but Rodgers was a stud because he threw for 400 yards.

Rodgers Texans stats 19/30 295 2TD 1INT

ARods biggest game last year was 328 yards. Where do you get your information from?

Dude I don't remember the exact stat of you being a dbag? Why are you nitpicking about the irrelevant side comment? Maybe it was that we gave up 400 yards but only like 17-20 points ish? Yards don't mean shit is the key factor that should be taken away from this discussion.

You should learn to focus on the important portion of the argument instead of the example, hypothetical or not, demonstrating a similar situation.

Let's look at what is really happening.

2007 Top 5 YPG Defenses-
PITT- 10-6 Lost 1st Round of Playoffs
TB- 9-7 Lost 1st Round of Playoffs
IND- 13-3 Lost Divisional Round of Playoffs
NE- 16-0 Superbowl Loser
TENN- 10-6 Lost 1st Round of Playoffs

5 for 5 in the playoffs, Superbowl Loser

2008 Top 5 YPG Defenses-
PITT- 12-4 Won Superbowl
BALT- 11-5 Lost in Conference Final
PHI- 9-6-1 Lost in Confernece Final
WASH- 8-8 Missed Playoffs
NYG- 12-4 Lost Divisional Round of Playoffs

4 for 5 in the playoffs, Superbowl Winner

2009 Top 5 YPF Defenses-
DEN- 6-1
NYJ- 4-4
NYG- 5-3
GB- 4-3
WASH- 2-5

[Partial]

What is that saying? Again, I'm not saying there isn't a correlation, I'm saying its a stupid statistic and a stupid pov to look at merely yards allowed to make an assessment.

You could have a dominant D and a dominant O and the opposition is going to throw for a ton of yards because you'll be up so big you take your foot off the gas and play prevent, yet they have to chuck it since they're down by so much.

It's one stat. Looking at one stat is dumb. You've got to look at more than that to even come close to doing any sort of analysis.

The Packers defense is not good in my opinion. I think few here would pick the Packers D in their top 5 D's if they needed to win a game tomorrow and had their choice of any D in the NFL.

[mraynrand]

My opinion of you has zero bearing on the stupidity of a stat like yards per game. It's like that Texans game where we got our asses kicked but Rodgers was a stud because he threw for 400 yards.

Rodgers Texans stats 19/30 295 2TD 1INT

ARods biggest game last year was 328 yards. Where do you get your information from?

Dude I don't remember the exact stat of you being a dbag? Why are you nitpicking about the irrelevant side comment? Maybe it was that we gave up 400 yards but only like 17-20 points ish? Yards don't mean shit is the key factor that should be taken away from this discussion.

You should learn to focus on the important portion of the argument instead of the example, hypothetical or not, demonstrating a similar situation.

Let's look at what is really happening.

2007 Top 5 YPG Defenses-
PITT- 10-6 Lost 1st Round of Playoffs
TB- 9-7 Lost 1st Round of Playoffs
IND- 13-3 Lost Divisional Round of Playoffs
NE- 16-0 Superbowl Loser
TENN- 10-6 Lost 1st Round of Playoffs

5 for 5 in the playoffs, Superbowl Loser

2008 Top 5 YPG Defenses-
PITT- 12-4 Won Superbowl
BALT- 11-5 Lost in Conference Final
PHI- 9-6-1 Lost in Confernece Final
WASH- 8-8 Missed Playoffs
NYG- 12-4 Lost Divisional Round of Playoffs

4 for 5 in the playoffs, Superbowl Winner

2009 Top 5 YPF Defenses-
DEN- 6-1
NYJ- 4-4
NYG- 5-3
GB- 4-3
WASH- 2-5

I wish you would stop using these stats. They don't support Partial's POV.