We'll get that fixed

[mraynrand]

What will Stubby fix this week? Will it get fixed? What will the Packers still suck at following the Tampa game? What will be improved?

[gex]

Re: We'll get that fixed

What will Stubby fix this week? Will it get fixed? What will the Packers still suck at following the Tampa game? What will be improved?

^^^^^^^ Dumb and Dumber

[CaliforniaCheez]

Every week you hear the pat answer, "We will get that fixed."

The penalties,
the O-line play,
the running game,
the lack of defensive pressure on the QB.

Someday a member of the press will ask a follow up question "How many years will it take to fix it?"

[Smidgeon]

Every week you hear the pat answer, "We will get that fixed."

The penalties,
the O-line play,
the running game,
the lack of defensive pressure on the QB.

Someday a member of the press will ask a follow up question "How many years will it take to fix it?"

I thought that was M2...

[Maxie the Taxi]

1. Mason Crosby's kickoffs. What's up with them? I thought the guy was brought in here because he can boom kickoffs out of the end zone. The guy was having a hard time getting his kicks to carry inside the 10 yard line.

2. Stubby's press conference comments with regard to Jolly's head butt were pathetic. He said in essence: I didn't see the play so I didn't say anything. I let the assistant coach handle it. What crap! When told Jolly wasn't sorry, Stubby said: That sounds like Jolly. When asked why he didn't bench Jolly he said basically: I have to measure the amount of good the guy does vs the amount of bad. When asked if he was going to speak to Jolly about the incident, he said: Probably!

The think Stubby is the kind of leader who hates confrontation. He delegates authority to his assistants and then is careful to step over them. I know because I used to be such a leader. It's so easy to let your assistants confront players and then sit back and play the role of the exalted teacher or mediator. The problem is such a strategy fails every time. Players and employees look to one man for ultimate sanction, and that is the top dog. Stubby should never, ever fail to confront a player -- openly and honestly -- if the consequences of that player's actions contradicts the team culture or policy. Stubby didn't need to know the facts of the Jolly incident. He already KNEW the consequences: 15 yards, a Viking 1st down and ultimately four points. There is NO excuse for what Jolly did. NONE!! Stubby should have told him so in no uncertain terms in front of the whole team.

3. Stubby should lose his fascination with "explosive" plays and concentrate on ball control. ALL the Packers' problems Sunday boiled down to the poor play of the offensive unit and Stubby is not only in charge of it, he's calling the plays. He talks and talks and talks and talks about being a rushing team first. It's all BS and everyone knows it. With six minutes left in the game, he had the ball, the momentum and the crowd. He lost all three by attempting to cash in on an explosive play. I was pleading with him to run the ball, to dink and dunk his way down the field, but NO. Not a single rush. Not a single dink. Not a single dunk. Rodgers gets sacked trying to launch one and puts Crosby in a bad position. Apparently, Stubby doesn't even consider punting for field position. Vikings get field position and the rest is history.

I'm convinced if Stubby would have been patient running and dinking and dunking, he would have taken time off the clock and the ball out of Brett's hands. He would have run serious time off the clock and would have wound up with at least an easy field goal.

4. Stubby should delegate the playcalling to someone else and just concentrate on real time tactics during the game. The guy can't see the forest for the trees when he's occupied calling plays.

End of rant.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

1. Mason Crosby's kickoffs. What's up with them? I thought the guy was brought in here because he can boom kickoffs out of the end zone. The guy was having a hard time getting his kicks to carry inside the 10 yard line.

Legitimate question. Swirling winds? Bad day? Issue. Yes. Problem in relation to other issues. Small.

2. Stubby's press conference comments with regard to Jolly's head butt were pathetic. He said in essence: I didn't see the play so I didn't say anything. I let the assistant coach handle it. What crap! When told Jolly wasn't sorry, Stubby said: That sounds like Jolly. When asked why he didn't bench Jolly he said basically: I have to measure the amount of good the guy does vs the amount of bad. When asked if he was going to speak to Jolly about the incident, he said: Probably!

What do you think he is going to say? Why is it crap that he didn't see the play and he is letting his assistant handle it? Do you know EXACTLY what happens. Do you know that MM doesn't meet with his assistant? Do you actually believe everything you hear at a presser?

MMs Translation: Look, we all know it was a boner. What can i do? Bench jolly? And play who? Have you seen our defense? Sucks, I know. But, our best chance is playing with this idiot. In the end, he is gonna make more good plays than bad...and i can't say that about his replacement.

The think Stubby is the kind of leader who hates confrontation. He delegates authority to his assistants and then is careful to step over them. I know because I used to be such a leader. It's so easy to let your assistants confront players and then sit back and play the role of the exalted teacher or mediator. The problem is such a strategy fails every time. Players and employees look to one man for ultimate sanction, and that is the top dog. Stubby should never, ever fail to confront a player -- openly and honestly -- if the consequences of that player's actions contradicts the team culture or policy. Stubby didn't need to know the facts of the Jolly incident. He already KNEW the consequences: 15 yards, a Viking 1st down and ultimately four points. There is NO excuse for what Jolly did. NONE!! Stubby should have told him so in no uncertain terms in front of the whole team.

Wow. Lot of conjecture. Lot of personalizing.

Sorry, but their isn't one way of handling a problem. I know it makes you happier and is great tv, but it isn't the only way.

There are plenty ways of discipling players like jolly....ways of making him feel your wrath and understand the importance of the issue, without humiliating him on tv, in front of the whole team, etc.

Not saying he can't or shouldn't do it, but to attack MM for not doing that ain't right either.

3. Stubby should lose his fascination with "explosive" plays and concentrate on ball control. ALL the Packers' problems Sunday boiled down to the poor play of the offensive unit and Stubby is not only in charge of it, he's calling the plays. He talks and talks and talks and talks about being a rushing team first. It's all BS and everyone knows it. With six minutes left in the game, he had the ball, the momentum and the crowd. He lost all three by attempting to cash in on an explosive play. I was pleading with him to run the ball, to dink and dunk his way down the field, but NO. Not a single rush. Not a single dink. Not a single dunk. Rodgers gets sacked trying to launch one and puts Crosby in a bad position. Apparently, Stubby doesn't even consider punting for field position. Vikings get field position and the rest is history.

Did you watch the game? We tried running in the first half. Maybe it was just me, but it didn't look very successful.

Now, let us get this straight. The packers were scoring very well in the second half, getting back in the game, but on that drive you were imploring MM to do exactly opposite of what had been working in the 2nd half? Are you nuts?

We all get it. You want to run. You want to pound the rock. Sorry, but it ain't ever happening. Not with MM. And certainly not with this OL and Grant. Please stop this line of crying.

Punting. Legitimate point. Ty woulda liked to have seen how Bert woulda responded to being pinned at his end. Punting does send a message to your kicker about your confidence in him.

Packer D coulda rose up and gotta a turnover or at least a stop.

I'm convinced if Stubby would have been patient running and dinking and dunking, he would have taken time off the clock and the ball out of Brett's hands. He would have run serious time off the clock and would have wound up with at least an easy field goal.

Based on what? The fact that we stalled out at the 35 or so? That is ridiculous. And, so what? We get a field goal. With less time on the clock..and Bert has the ball? Because our defense had been so money up to then and woulda got a stop? How about MOST likely, bert runs the offense and we get it back after a couple of series..with like no time on the clock. In poor field position cause we know Bert is gonna be starting for at least the 30 and if he gains 20 we are inside our 20 (miracle excluded) to try and get a FG.

4. Stubby should delegate the playcalling to someone else and just concentrate on real time tactics during the game. The guy can't see the forest for the trees when he's occupied calling plays.

Play calling is a legitimate discussion.

I like Stubby's assessment of the game way more than yours. The only real point you have is whether they shoulda punted instead of kicking the field goal..

End of rant.

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[Little Whiskey]

+1 Ty

especially on the jolly point. a buddy of mine is calling for him to be bench. I asked him who he would like to see play the rest of the biggest game of the season (so far)? his silence was deafing.

[MJZiggy]

I'm just hoping he's still running the bleachers...

[Maxie the Taxi]

Ty...

RE: Mason Crosby...It IS a big deal. If Crosby booms the kick deep into the end zone, maybe Harvin doesn't come out with it and, more than likely, the Vikes don't wind up with choice field position. On the last kickoff, Stubby said Mason slipped. He was supposed to hit a ground ball. I'm curious is all. The ball sailed like hell on the 51 yard field goal miss, so I'm thinking there's nothing wrong with his leg.

I'm just trying to figure out MM's kickoff strategy. If I had to choose between Crosby booming one into the end zone or kicking a ground ball to the 35 yard line, I choose the boomer.

RE: Jolly incident...I'm not saying MM should have benched Jolly for the rest of the game, just a series or two. And I don't give a damn how valuable the guy is or how much better he is than everyone else. By his actions and comments after the game, Jolly is basically saying he doesn't give a rip what coach thinks. And that kind of thing has a more destructive effect on the team than sitting out a few plays.

Maybe it's a generational thing. Maybe nowadays head coaches have to worry about players' hurt feelings, damaged pride or diminished self-esteem or the players won't perform at a high level. What garbage!

... ..."Humiliating him [Jolly] in front of the whole team?" Are you kidding me? Is Jolly that much of a prima donna? Has MM lost that much control of his team?

In my judgement, MM needed to show some fire, to show some passion. If he doesn't show positive emotion, than guys like Jolly show negative emotion and that is not good.

RE: MM not liking confrontation...It's only my opinion based on observing these managerial types over the years. I could be wrong.

RE: MM's running game or lack thereoff...How many times did we run the ball in the first half? Five? And because we didn't gain a ton of yards on those five attempts, you write the running game off as a failure? If that's the case, you don't understand why teams need to run the ball. After we rush the ball 25 or 30 times a game, then talk to me about whether or not the rushing game is successful.

Yes, on that key drive with six minutes or so left I was calling for the run and I'm not nuts. Running (or short dump off passes, dinks and dunks) have a high percentage of gaining positive yards. They keep the defense honest. We had the Vikes on their heels at that point. We were punishing them physically and emotionally. Then MM goes for the quick strike.

Rushing the ball for sure runs time off the clock so Favre gets the ball with less time. We got back in the game with shorter passes and YAC. Rodgers got sacked trying to throw a home run ball.

You say Packers will never be a running team with MM, Grant and our OL. Then MM himself is delusional because he CONSTANTLY says the Packers are a rushing team first! All I'm saying is: "NO THEY AREN'T. SO, MM, STOP SAYING THEY ARE!"

Did you ever stop to think that perhaps the LACK of rushing attempts negatively affects the performance of the OL and Grant? A 90% pass attack puts the OL into a position to fail, not succeed.

RE: Getting personal....Ty should learn that calling people "nuts" IS getting personal and is NOT a valid argument.

[Fritz]

Patler makes a great point in another thread - the coaches seem to be having Crosby kick differently. He lead the league in touchback last year, I think, and he started strong this year.

So someone - a coach - is directing Crosby to kick high and short, to kick to the corner, whatever.

What is scary about this is that it suggests the coaches are trying to cover up a deficiency in the coverage units...

[esoxx]

I prefer the term -

"we'll get that cleaned up."

Ray Rhodes, circa 1999

[esoxx]

Re: We'll get that fixed

What will Stubby fix this week? Will it get fixed? What will the Packers still suck at following the Tampa game? What will be improved?

Pad level!

[Fritz]

If I were a plumber in Green Bay, I'd paint that on the side of my van as my company slogan:

"We'll get that fixed!"

[mraynrand]

If I were a plumber in Green Bay, I'd paint that on the side of my van as my company slogan:

"We'll get that fixed!"

If I were a swimming pool salesman, I'D have FULLBACK DIVE! on my truck.

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[MJZiggy]

That was more like a fullback trip.