They'll take'em down when it counts.

[g4orce]

I love how so many of you lames talk about Starr like you actually seen him play. Obviously he was a great QB and won more rings. That I have learned from reading here and other sites. I never witnessed it. How can any of us judge who was better if we where wearing diapers in the last 40 years??

Couldnt agree more. Its insane to compare players from different times. Specially ones that played while we still didnt allow blacks to play very much. Hell, for the little selfishness Favre has show, why do we have a statue of Lombardi outside the stadium, that dude was RACIST!

[Scott Campbell]

I love how so many of you lames talk about Starr like you actually seen him play. Obviously he was a great QB and won more rings. That I have learned from reading here and other sites. I never witnessed it. How can any of us judge who was better if we where wearing diapers in the last 40 years??

Couldnt agree more. Its insane to compare players from different times. Specially ones that played while we still didnt allow blacks to play very much. Hell, for the little selfishness Favre has show, why do we have a statue of Lombardi outside the stadium, that dude was RACIST!

Hi Tank!

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Starr is classy. I don't suspect you understand that concept.

As talented as Favre? You mean like Elway? Or Brady? Or Peyton? Take it down a notch Don King.

yeah, shame on the packer org and coaches for not harnessing Bert. Agreed. Personal responsibility be damned.

My god, why would we expect him to show some self discipline? After all, he never showed any in his personal life.

While Starr may be classy and I respect him for that, he doesnt belong in the same sentence with Favre as in throwing a football.

I'll give you Elway and Manning, but Brady belongs with Bradshaw, Aikman, Montana as guys who just had great teams surrounding them.

Guys like Favre, Elway, Marino are QB's that we've never seen before. I put Favre at the of the talent heap because in his day he moved a lot better than Elway and Marino and probably could out throw both as in arm strength. Watch the highlights of him in the mid 90's and its stuff you've never seen from a QB before. And probably never will.

And bert doesn't belong in the same sentence as Starr for being clutch, making good decisions, being a great teammate, etc.

There is more to being a great QB than throwing the ball. Jeff George is that you posting under G4orce?

Brady? Great teams. Maybe you need to look at who was on the offense of some of those great teams. LOL And, you put Montana below Favre. Guess "the catch" was on a great team. LOL

Dude, you wanna talk about a guy with a great team? That fellow's name is Bert. Remind us again how he led us to the SB with a 9-7 team? Or how like elway he led an lesser talented team to the SB multiple times. Remind us again how Bert put the team on his back and willed us to the SB.

Favre moved better than Elway. Dude, you really are embarrasing yourself. Elway had 10 or 11 seasons rushing over 200 yards, and went over 300 once. Bert had ONE season over 200 yards.

The fiction you have created is outstanding. Better arm than elway or marino. LOL Plenty of guys have had cannons before. You act like suddenly there were no great QBs before Favre, Elway and Marino. Yikes.

Must be nice to conveniently forget Fouts, Moon, Anderson, Kelly, etc.

I watched every game of Berts. And unlike you, based on your post, have watched Moon, Fouts, Bradshaw, Staubach, Stabler, Moon, etc.

[g4orce]

I love how so many of you lames talk about Starr like you actually seen him play. Obviously he was a great QB and won more rings. That I have learned from reading here and other sites. I never witnessed it. How can any of us judge who was better if we where wearing diapers in the last 40 years??

Couldnt agree more. Its insane to compare players from different times. Specially ones that played while we still didnt allow blacks to play very much. Hell, for the little selfishness Favre has show, why do we have a statue of Lombardi outside the stadium, that dude was RACIST!

Hi Tank!

Huh?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I love how so many of you lames talk about Starr like you actually seen him play. Obviously he was a great QB and won more rings. That I have learned from reading here and other sites. I never witnessed it. How can any of us judge who was better if we where wearing diapers in the last 40 years??

Couldnt agree more. Its insane to compare players from different times. Specially ones that played while we still didnt allow blacks to play very much. Hell, for the little selfishness Favre has show, why do we have a statue of Lombardi outside the stadium, that dude was RACIST!

Hi Tank!

Fuck me.

[Fritz]

I love how so many of you lames talk about Starr like you actually seen him play. Obviously he was a great QB and won more rings. That I have learned from reading here and other sites. I never witnessed it. How can any of us judge who was better if we where wearing diapers in the last 40 years??

I saw Starr play - not in person but on television. And I've done a lot of reading as well.

My opinion is that if you gave me a choice between Starr and Favre, I'd take Starr. Favre has been on talented teams and thrown picks, trying to make the big play. Starr did not make the same kinds of mistakes. He didn't have Favre's arm, for sure. He didn't improvise as well. But I'd take Starr in a big game over Favre.

Until this year, so far. How strange that Favre, after all these years, is finally learning how to play smart. This was the way I wished he'd played for all those Packer years.

And please don't bother with "he doesn't have to take chances any more." That argument is essentially saying he'd have been better if he had better teammates. But Favre made choices about how to play. Ernie Banks often played on sucky teams but he still played well. If you're going to say Favre is so great then you shouldn't have to excuse his bonehead interceptions.

[mraynrand]

Bert was more elusive in the pocket than Elway, but was slower and a much less effective runner. Elway threw a cleaner, more accurate long ball than Bert. The teams Elway willed to Superbowls were pretty decent (except maybe that 1989 team). The question is whether Dallas and San Fran in 1993-1995 were better than Cleveland in 1986-87, etc. I think Dallas and San Fran were tougher to get by than Cleveland.

[MJZiggy]

Hell, for the little selfishness Favre has show, why do we have a statue of Lombardi outside the stadium, that dude was RACIST!

Have you lost your mind, son? Lombardi was one of the first GMs to bring a black player onto the team and when the team hotel one night didn't want to allow his black player to stay, he turned the whole team right around and left.

Read this page out of Lombardi's biography, When Pride Still Mattered
. It pretty well sums things up in one page.

http://books.google.com/books?id=9jc9XpPICdUC&pg=PA241&lpg=PA241&dq=lombardi+black+player+hotel&source=bl&ots=4g_gf6FkiX&sig=gThhBvv5Xv0fxrnSO9bp2-OymJE&hl=en&ei=8zPySvK9EdSM8AbR4sXxAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=lombardi%20black%20player%20hotel&f=false

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Bert was more elusive in the pocket than Elway, but was slower and a much less effective runner. Elway threw a cleaner, more accurate long ball than Bert. The teams Elway willed to Superbowls were pretty decent (except maybe that 1989 team). The question is whether Dallas and San Fran in 1993-1995 were better than Cleveland in 1986-87, etc. I think Dallas and San Fran were tougher to get by than Cleveland.

What about later. The sherman years? the MM years. RR year. What about willing us one of those years?

[Iron Mike]

Bert was more elusive in the pocket than Elway, but was slower and a much less effective runner. Elway threw a cleaner, more accurate long ball than Bert. The teams Elway willed to Superbowls were pretty decent (except maybe that 1989 team). The question is whether Dallas and San Fran in 1993-1995 were better than Cleveland in 1986-87, etc. I think Dallas and San Fran were tougher to get by than Cleveland.

It wasn't only Elway willing his teams to the SB, Bowlen was cheating on the salary cap when they won.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A28969-2004Sep17.html