AJ Hawk Penalty

[hoosier]

It was a penalty. Maybe a bit ticky tack, but he did have hte guys arm and didn't make contact after 5 yards. The only issue I had is the flag didn't get thrown pretty much until the pick happened. Meaning if it was incomplete, it may have never gotten called.

That is my issue with the ref in that situation. Hawk did, however, technically make illegal contact. Did it help him get the pick? Who knows. It was a legit call, I just didn't like hwo the ref handled it.

Agreed. Hawk was beat by Winslow, who he let get too much inside leverage against him. He kind of pulled Winslow about 8 yards downfield, and it clearly either affected Winslow's speed as he was making a cut or helped Hawk to recover his balance. I didn't think the penalty was questionable at all.

[ND72]

It was a penalty. Maybe a bit ticky tack, but he did have hte guys arm and didn't make contact after 5 yards. The only issue I had is the flag didn't get thrown pretty much until the pick happened. Meaning if it was incomplete, it may have never gotten called.

That is my issue with the ref in that situation. Hawk did, however, technically make illegal contact. Did it help him get the pick? Who knows. It was a legit call, I just didn't like hwo the ref handled it.

Agreed. Hawk was beat by Winslow, who he let get too much inside leverage against him. He kind of pulled Winslow about 8 yards downfield, and it clearly either affected Winslow's speed as he was making a cut or helped Hawk to recover his balance. I didn't think the penalty was questionable at all.

nope...just watched it again on DVR...only contact between Hawk & Winslow was at 2 yards when they essentially ran into eachother, Hawk had his arm at 3 yards, and then never had a piece of him again. Winslow infact had to change his path because another Packer was running across the field, but no where did Hawk have a hold of him or anything beyong that 2-3 yard mark.

[Brando19]

It was a penalty. Maybe a bit ticky tack, but he did have hte guys arm and didn't make contact after 5 yards. The only issue I had is the flag didn't get thrown pretty much until the pick happened. Meaning if it was incomplete, it may have never gotten called.

That is my issue with the ref in that situation. Hawk did, however, technically make illegal contact. Did it help him get the pick? Who knows. It was a legit call, I just didn't like hwo the ref handled it.

Agreed. Hawk was beat by Winslow, who he let get too much inside leverage against him. He kind of pulled Winslow about 8 yards downfield, and it clearly either affected Winslow's speed as he was making a cut or helped Hawk to recover his balance. I didn't think the penalty was questionable at all.

nope...just watched it again on DVR...only contact between Hawk & Winslow was at 2 yards when they essentially ran into eachother, Hawk had his arm at 3 yards, and then never had a piece of him again. Winslow infact had to change his path because another Packer was running across the field, but no where did Hawk have a hold of him or anything beyong that 2-3 yard mark.

That shit needs to be reviewable. Refs suck dick.

[hoosier]

It was a penalty. Maybe a bit ticky tack, but he did have hte guys arm and didn't make contact after 5 yards. The only issue I had is the flag didn't get thrown pretty much until the pick happened. Meaning if it was incomplete, it may have never gotten called.

That is my issue with the ref in that situation. Hawk did, however, technically make illegal contact. Did it help him get the pick? Who knows. It was a legit call, I just didn't like hwo the ref handled it.

Agreed. Hawk was beat by Winslow, who he let get too much inside leverage against him. He kind of pulled Winslow about 8 yards downfield, and it clearly either affected Winslow's speed as he was making a cut or helped Hawk to recover his balance. I didn't think the penalty was questionable at all.

nope...just watched it again on DVR...only contact between Hawk & Winslow was at 2 yards when they essentially ran into eachother, Hawk had his arm at 3 yards, and then never had a piece of him again. Winslow infact had to change his path because another Packer was running across the field, but no where did Hawk have a hold of him or anything beyong that 2-3 yard mark.

I only saw the play once on replay. I was quite sure then that Hawk grabbed him after 5 yards. I have to defer to your having seen it multiple times, though. Too bad nfl.com doesn't put questionable penalties up on their video site--I would be interested to see what it looks like again.

[rbaloha1]

Poor call. No reason for this to be called. Did not cost the Packers the game since we had other chances to stop the Bucs and failed.

[MichiganPackerFan]

Agree that it was a bad call. Despite it, GB should have won by 3 td's and it shouldn't be an issue.

[Smidgeon]

It was nice to see him make some impact plays.

[PackerTimer]

This is a tough one, I thought it was a terrible call that did and didn't cost the Packers the game. It did cost them the game in that it definitely affected the outcome and the Packers probably would have won had it not been called. It didn't cost them the game in that letting that call determine a game against an 0-7 team is just terrible. They played so poorly in so many other spots that I won't blame it on one call.

[sharpe1027]

If you aren't sure of how many men are out there, you don't throw a flag just because there *might* be 12.

If you aren't sure of where the contact occurred, you don't throw a flag just because it *might* have been past 5 yards.

The default is not to throw a flag. These are not "judgment" calls, they are about as black and white as it gets. 5 yards is 5 yards is 5 yards. 12 does not equal 11.

If they are going to start calling it that close and messing it up (twice this year for the Packers in big, game-changing situations), it should be reviewable.

Still, it was not the reason they lost.