Pinpointing the Problem

[mngolf19]

So I guess I'll pose a question: what coach available with his specific history could get the most out of the GB talent (because I do believe GB has the talent)?

Urban Meyer.

He wins everywhere he goes, and with other people's players.

Is he looking to jump to the NFL?

Doubt it. He's making $4M per at FL.


I think he's the best coach in sports, and have since he was here at Utah.

He also will be in line for the Notre Dame job.

He turned that down for the FL job last time around.

Not exactly, don't remember the story word for word but a little insider birdie told me that it had to do with the timing. Also, he is on record as saying that the ND job is his dream job. And the timing will be better now as Weis is likely to get the heave ho after this season. (again, the birdie)

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Again, please list the successful college coaches in the NFL.

I'd take Jimmy Johnson any day of the week

Most coaches fail. I have no view of Urban Meyer but IMO if you think he's a rising star you don't run because he's a college coach

Correct. Jimmy was dang good. Didn't hurt that he got a ton of picks for Walker.

Jimmy is the exception that proves the rule. The fail rate for college coaches is astronomically high....guys that were just as highly regarded have failed: Erickson, Spurrier, Petrino, Nick saban, Rich Brooks, Mike Riley, Butch Davis, etc.

Rather deal with an up and coming NFL assistant than a guy unaccustomed the demands of the NFL and as well as dealing with grown men, not college students.

Factor in the huge payday for a guy like Meyer....disaster of epic proportions waiting to happen.

[Scott Campbell]

Not exactly, don't remember the story word for word but a little insider birdie told me that it had to do with the timing. Also, he is on record as saying that the ND job is his dream job. And the timing will be better now as Weis is likely to get the heave ho after this season. (again, the birdie)

ND and Ohio State have always been Meyer's "dream jobs". But Meyer took the FL job over the ND job last time because of the opportunity to win - specifically because of recruiting.

[mngolf19]

Not exactly, don't remember the story word for word but a little insider birdie told me that it had to do with the timing. Also, he is on record as saying that the ND job is his dream job. And the timing will be better now as Weis is likely to get the heave ho after this season. (again, the birdie)

ND and Ohio State have always been Meyer's "dream jobs". But Meyer took the FL job over the ND job last time because of the opportunity to win - specifically because of recruiting.

I think he has just as much opp to recruit to ND as FL. Just all the guys before him had too many issues one way or another to make it work. Also, he'll look for the next challenge. Especially after they win the whole thing this year.

[Scott Campbell]

Not exactly, don't remember the story word for word but a little insider birdie told me that it had to do with the timing. Also, he is on record as saying that the ND job is his dream job. And the timing will be better now as Weis is likely to get the heave ho after this season. (again, the birdie)

ND and Ohio State have always been Meyer's "dream jobs". But Meyer took the FL job over the ND job last time because of the opportunity to win - specifically because of recruiting.

I think he has just as much opp to recruit to ND as FL. Just all the guys before him had too many issues one way or another to make it work. Also, he'll look for the next challenge. Especially after they win the whole thing this year.

I think the academic requirements make it harder to win at ND right now. That, and with Miami and Florida State moving out of the elite college football programs, it's easy pickings in one of the most fertile recruiting hot beds in the country.

Will ND pony up an offer of more than $4M per year? He's very close to Bernie Machen, so it would be difficult to pry him away.

[mngolf19]

I think the academic requirements make it harder to win at ND right now. That, and with Miami and Florida State moving out of the elite college football programs, it's easy pickings in one of the most fertile recruiting hot beds in the country.

Will ND pony up an offer of more than $4M per year? He's very close to Bernie Machen, so it would be difficult to pry him away.

I'm told yes as they are willing to buy out Weis and his giant extension as well. He's got like 5-7 years left for crying out loud. And money is never an issue for them.

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Not exactly, don't remember the story word for word but a little insider birdie told me that it had to do with the timing. Also, he is on record as saying that the ND job is his dream job. And the timing will be better now as Weis is likely to get the heave ho after this season. (again, the birdie)

ND and Ohio State have always been Meyer's "dream jobs". But Meyer took the FL job over the ND job last time because of the opportunity to win - specifically because of recruiting.

I think he has just as much opp to recruit to ND as FL. Just all the guys before him had too many issues one way or another to make it work. Also, he'll look for the next challenge. Especially after they win the whole thing this year.

I think the academic requirements make it harder to win at ND right now. That, and with Miami and Florida State moving out of the elite college football programs, it's easy pickings in one of the most fertile recruiting hot beds in the country.

Will ND pony up an offer of more than $4M per year? He's very close to Bernie Machen, so it would be difficult to pry him away.

yeah ND hasn't been average or better for almost 20 years now. too damn toough to get the good players when the requirements are so high. and they just aren't the powerhouse, need to go-to school to this generation like they were for so many decades

and what really gets me is the exclusive tv rights to nbc. lol, all that money for a shitty team

[Scott Campbell]

I think the academic requirements make it harder to win at ND right now. That, and with Miami and Florida State moving out of the elite college football programs, it's easy pickings in one of the most fertile recruiting hot beds in the country.

Will ND pony up an offer of more than $4M per year? He's very close to Bernie Machen, so it would be difficult to pry him away.

I'm told yes as they are willing to buy out Weis and his giant extension as well. He's got like 5-7 years left for crying out loud. And money is never an issue for them.

Well, good luck to them. It won't be easy.

He's the most charismatic leader I've ever watched. He can take the same group of guys that a lesser coach got fired with, and run the table. I've never seen anyone like him. We knew from the first press conference that we hit the big time.

I think he's really going to miss Dan Mullen though.

[mngolf19]

Not exactly, don't remember the story word for word but a little insider birdie told me that it had to do with the timing. Also, he is on record as saying that the ND job is his dream job. And the timing will be better now as Weis is likely to get the heave ho after this season. (again, the birdie)

ND and Ohio State have always been Meyer's "dream jobs". But Meyer took the FL job over the ND job last time because of the opportunity to win - specifically because of recruiting.

I think he has just as much opp to recruit to ND as FL. Just all the guys before him had too many issues one way or another to make it work. Also, he'll look for the next challenge. Especially after they win the whole thing this year.

I think the academic requirements make it harder to win at ND right now. That, and with Miami and Florida State moving out of the elite college football programs, it's easy pickings in one of the most fertile recruiting hot beds in the country.

Will ND pony up an offer of more than $4M per year? He's very close to Bernie Machen, so it would be difficult to pry him away.

yeah ND hasn't been average or better for almost 20 years now. too damn toough to get the good players when the requirements are so high. and they just aren't the powerhouse, need to go-to school to this generation like they were for so many decades

and what really gets me is the exclusive tv rights to nbc. lol, all that money for a shitty team

Granted they have higher academic standards, but the NBC part is exactly why saying they can't recruit or are not a go-to school I think are wrong. They get good ratings, hence the contract. They are obviously popular and well known to the general public. They still get top 25 recruiting classes every year. Just had losers coaching them. NBC is starting to get on them though about their scheduling, which was the fault of the last AD who also was thrown out due to not giving football it's due.

[mngolf19]

I think the academic requirements make it harder to win at ND right now. That, and with Miami and Florida State moving out of the elite college football programs, it's easy pickings in one of the most fertile recruiting hot beds in the country.

Will ND pony up an offer of more than $4M per year? He's very close to Bernie Machen, so it would be difficult to pry him away.

I'm told yes as they are willing to buy out Weis and his giant extension as well. He's got like 5-7 years left for crying out loud. And money is never an issue for them.

Well, good luck to them. It won't be easy.

He's the most charismatic leader I've ever watched. He can take the same group of guys that a lesser coach got fired with, and run the table. I've never seen anyone like him. We knew from the first press conference that we hit the big time.

I think he's really going to miss Dan Mullen though.

I agree with all this.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Meyer is a dang good coach. No doubt about it.

But, he inherited a bunch of players from zook. Can't blame him for that, but you have to note it.

Also, to his credit took advantage of bad times at Miami and FSU. That won't last. Miami is on the rise and bowden is near the end.

Let's see how he does in the future when the hunting for recruits gets tougher in Florida.......and now that Saban is at Bama. Saban is the best coach in the SEC and prolly all of college football.

[Scott Campbell]

Meyer is a dang good coach. No doubt about it.

But, he inherited a bunch of players from zook. Can't blame him for that, but you have to note it.

Exactly. He won with the same kids that got Zook fired.


You also have to note that he won it with mostly his kids last year. And so far this year.

[pbmax]

Not exactly, don't remember the story word for word but a little insider birdie told me that it had to do with the timing. Also, he is on record as saying that the ND job is his dream job. And the timing will be better now as Weis is likely to get the heave ho after this season. (again, the birdie)

ND and Ohio State have always been Meyer's "dream jobs". But Meyer took the FL job over the ND job last time because of the opportunity to win - specifically because of recruiting.

I think he has just as much opp to recruit to ND as FL. Just all the guys before him had too many issues one way or another to make it work. Also, he'll look for the next challenge. Especially after they win the whole thing this year.

The story is that Meyer had two recruits he wanted to bring with him from Boise for his first class and he asked ND if they could get cleared academically. They could not and he went to Florida.

[Scott Campbell]

Saban is the best coach in the SEC and prolly all of college football.

The so called best coach in the SEC got his ass kicked in the Sugar Bowl last year against a mediocre Utah team. And by Meyer a few weeks before that. He's a fine coach, but he's only won the National Championship once.

I'll take Meyer.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Meyer is a dang good coach. No doubt about it.

But, he inherited a bunch of players from zook. Can't blame him for that, but you have to note it.

Exactly. He won with the same kids that got Zook fired.


You also have to note that he won it with mostly his kids last year. And so far this year.

Zook isnt' a good coach, great recruiter. But, those players were youngsters when zook was fired. Zook, idiot that he was, made a commitment to go young right away...and sacrificed winning to develop the youngsters..that helped Meyer tremendously.

Last year: No doubt.

This year. Squad hasn't looked as good. Winning, but offense is WAY down.

Like i said, let's see how he does now that Miami is back and Bama is back.

And, let's see how things work out when Tebow is gone as well.