"Green Bay is a bad football team..."

[bobblehead]

News flash einstein, it ain't the scheme, its the players.

Unless the scheme wasn't fully implemented to the point of mastering it, instead being implemented to the point of simple adequacy. Jags was only there for a year. I think it'd be akin to Capers coming in for a year, dropping the 3-4, then having someone else who'd never coached the 3-4 do it from there. It's widely agreed that the 3-4 takes a few years to fully implement. Maybe the ZBS doesn't, but the team doesn't seem to be doing it all that well. So while it could be the players as opposed to the scheme, it could also be the coaches who haven't successfully implemented the scheme.

Just wanted to point out another possibility.

Agree, no argument from me on that count.

[g4orce]

A scheme of running the ball that blows IMO for an outdoor team.

SO when Denver ran it down everyones throat in mile high stadium all those years you were emailing Mike shanahan right??

3 straight AFC rushing titles, 2 superbowl wins, first player to rush for 3 TD's in a superbowl, 2000 yard season....crappy scheme for an outdoor team. Change RB's, same success, crappy scheme. Yep, keep parroting whatever it is you are reading.

News flash einstein, it ain't the scheme, its the players.

where did I say anywhere that teams haven't had success? Please show me. I said and so u know IMO=in my opinion, not urs, I don't think it's the tight scheme for a team like green bay. It's just my opinion. I believe big beefy guys that wear out teams is better. So sorry for having a different opinion my god.

You can have any opinion you want, I was merely pointing out that the ZBS is one of the most successful rushing schemes in history for an outdoor team that plays in the cold. Kind contradicting your "opinion" with those pesky facts.

one team has had success with it while a lotta teams have had success other ways. Percentages are higher with beefy dudes.

[Patler]

Grant had 96. Something like 67 of those yards were on one drive.

Green had 45. Looked solid, but barely touched hte ball (I think it was 3 or 4 rushes wasn't it?)

Rodgers had 26 - which is really irrelevant to an actual rushing attack.

So damn good? Grants yards were mostly from a single drive, Green's were from very few touches, and rodgers has no bearing on the run game.

Add an extra 100 yards on that total and they pretty much never have the ball.

I agree that the Packers should have run the ball more, but your analysis is way off-base. Grants yards were mostly from a single drive? Not in the game I watched. He had drives of 5/34; 3/20; 2/12; and 3/16. Not remotely close to, "Something like 67 of those yards were on one drive."

As for, "Green had 45. Looked solid, but barely touched hte ball (I think it was 3 or 4 rushes wasn't it?)" In actuality, Green had 6 carries, including carries of 1, 2, 3 and 4 yards to go with two runs of 9 and 26 yards.

When given a chance, the running game was effective. It should have been given more opportunities.

[Scott Campbell]

Did the Falcons Dirty Bird Superbowl team run the zone blocking scheme?

[mraynrand]

Grant had 96. Something like 67 of those yards were on one drive.

Green had 45. Looked solid, but barely touched hte ball (I think it was 3 or 4 rushes wasn't it?)

Rodgers had 26 - which is really irrelevant to an actual rushing attack.

So damn good? Grants yards were mostly from a single drive, Green's were from very few touches, and rodgers has no bearing on the run game.

Add an extra 100 yards on that total and they pretty much never have the ball.

I agree that the Packers should have run the ball more, but your analysis is way off-base. Grants yards were mostly from a single drive? Not in the game I watched. He had drives of 5/34; 3/20; 2/12; and 3/16. Not remotely close to, "Something like 67 of those yards were on one drive."

As for, "Green had 45. Looked solid, but barely touched hte ball (I think it was 3 or 4 rushes wasn't it?)" In actuality, Green had 6 carries, including carries of 1, 2, 3 and 4 yards to go with two runs of 9 and 26 yards.

When given a chance, the running game was effective. It should have been given more opportunities.

[Brandon494]

Trent Dilfer believe he is the reason the Ravens won the SB.

he is part of the reason, isn't he?

A trained monkey could have been QB and they still would have won the SB with the defense they had that season.

OK, so did you actually watch those games? You are kinda young right so not sure if you where still playing with legos.

Dilfer wasnt the guiding force but I watched their whole playoff run that year and he did make the plays he needed to score. Dont be a hater like all these other Wisco Crackas.

Dude had Jamal Lewis and Priest Holmes in the backfield to go along with one of the best defenses the league has ever seen. He did make a few plays during their playoff run but there is a reason he is the ONLY QB to be released after a SB win.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

A scheme of running the ball that blows IMO for an outdoor team.

SO when Denver ran it down everyones throat in mile high stadium all those years you were emailing Mike shanahan right??

3 straight AFC rushing titles, 2 superbowl wins, first player to rush for 3 TD's in a superbowl, 2000 yard season....crappy scheme for an outdoor team. Change RB's, same success, crappy scheme. Yep, keep parroting whatever it is you are reading.

News flash einstein, it ain't the scheme, its the players.

G4force was mad at Vince Lombardi for INTRODUCING ZBS to the NFL.

What the hell was Lombardi thinking? Didn't he know the scheme wouldn't work in the frozen tundra of Green Bay?

[Sparkey]

A scheme of running the ball that blows IMO for an outdoor team.

SO when Denver ran it down everyones throat in mile high stadium all those years you were emailing Mike shanahan right??

3 straight AFC rushing titles, 2 superbowl wins, first player to rush for 3 TD's in a superbowl, 2000 yard season....crappy scheme for an outdoor team. Change RB's, same success, crappy scheme. Yep, keep parroting whatever it is you are reading.

News flash einstein, it ain't the scheme, its the players.

No mention of coaching ?

So if I wanted to learn how to make Scallops Florentine, a cook at McDonalds would be do the job ? A scheme is like a recipe. Right ?

[Maxie the Taxi]

A scheme of running the ball that blows IMO for an outdoor team.

SO when Denver ran it down everyones throat in mile high stadium all those years you were emailing Mike shanahan right??

3 straight AFC rushing titles, 2 superbowl wins, first player to rush for 3 TD's in a superbowl, 2000 yard season....crappy scheme for an outdoor team. Change RB's, same success, crappy scheme. Yep, keep parroting whatever it is you are reading.

News flash einstein, it ain't the scheme, its the players.

G4force was mad at Vince Lombardi for INTRODUCING ZBS to the NFL.

What the hell was Lombardi thinking? Didn't he know the scheme wouldn't work in the frozen tundra of Green Bay?

Did Vince really do that?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

A scheme of running the ball that blows IMO for an outdoor team.

SO when Denver ran it down everyones throat in mile high stadium all those years you were emailing Mike shanahan right??

3 straight AFC rushing titles, 2 superbowl wins, first player to rush for 3 TD's in a superbowl, 2000 yard season....crappy scheme for an outdoor team. Change RB's, same success, crappy scheme. Yep, keep parroting whatever it is you are reading.

News flash einstein, it ain't the scheme, its the players.

So if I wanted to learn how to make Scallops Florentine, a cook at McDonalds would be do the job ?

Ty thinks the biggest problem with your question is the use of "cook" and McDonalds.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

A scheme of running the ball that blows IMO for an outdoor team.

SO when Denver ran it down everyones throat in mile high stadium all those years you were emailing Mike shanahan right??

3 straight AFC rushing titles, 2 superbowl wins, first player to rush for 3 TD's in a superbowl, 2000 yard season....crappy scheme for an outdoor team. Change RB's, same success, crappy scheme. Yep, keep parroting whatever it is you are reading.

News flash einstein, it ain't the scheme, its the players.

G4force was mad at Vince Lombardi for INTRODUCING ZBS to the NFL.

What the hell was Lombardi thinking? Didn't he know the scheme wouldn't work in the frozen tundra of Green Bay?

Did Vince really do that?

Yes. Vince is generally regarded as introducing ZBS to the NFL. Just another pesky fact that gets forgotten by the anti MM/TT crowd.

What do you think Vince was talking about when he said "run to daylight?"

More disappointing is that an old timer like yourself didn't know that

[Maxie the Taxi]

A scheme of running the ball that blows IMO for an outdoor team.

SO when Denver ran it down everyones throat in mile high stadium all those years you were emailing Mike shanahan right??

3 straight AFC rushing titles, 2 superbowl wins, first player to rush for 3 TD's in a superbowl, 2000 yard season....crappy scheme for an outdoor team. Change RB's, same success, crappy scheme. Yep, keep parroting whatever it is you are reading.

News flash einstein, it ain't the scheme, its the players.

G4force was mad at Vince Lombardi for INTRODUCING ZBS to the NFL.

What the hell was Lombardi thinking? Didn't he know the scheme wouldn't work in the frozen tundra of Green Bay?

Did Vince really do that?

Yes. Vince is generally regarded as introducing ZBS to the NFL. Just another pesky fact that gets forgotten by the anti MM/TT crowd.

More disappointing is that an old timer like yourself didn't know that

It's a truism that whatever I don't know you do. So it's one for you.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

A scheme of running the ball that blows IMO for an outdoor team.

SO when Denver ran it down everyones throat in mile high stadium all those years you were emailing Mike shanahan right??

3 straight AFC rushing titles, 2 superbowl wins, first player to rush for 3 TD's in a superbowl, 2000 yard season....crappy scheme for an outdoor team. Change RB's, same success, crappy scheme. Yep, keep parroting whatever it is you are reading.

News flash einstein, it ain't the scheme, its the players.

G4force was mad at Vince Lombardi for INTRODUCING ZBS to the NFL.

What the hell was Lombardi thinking? Didn't he know the scheme wouldn't work in the frozen tundra of Green Bay?

Did Vince really do that?

Yes. Vince is generally regarded as introducing ZBS to the NFL. Just another pesky fact that gets forgotten by the anti MM/TT crowd.

More disappointing is that an old timer like yourself didn't know that

It's a truism that whatever I don't know you do. So it's one for you.

Ok. It is like a pail and the ocean. I'm the ocean.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Ty, how does the Green Bay power sweep fit into Lombardi's ZBS? Or did he only run zone part of the time?

It just seems strange, because Lombardi was such a "blackboard" kind of coach. You know, he seemed to draw every thing up so that every blocker has a guy to take out, etc. Doesn't seem like ZBS.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Ty, how does the Green Bay power sweep fit into Lombardi's ZBS? Or did he only run zone part of the time?

It just seems strange, because Lombardi was such a "blackboard" kind of coach. You know, he seemed to draw every thing up so that every blocker has a guy to take out, etc. Doesn't seem like ZBS.

Honestly, Ty isn't that well versed in schemes to tell you what percent he ran. Sweep? Somebody else would have to answer that. Though Ty would guess that it still was in effect as the pulling linemen would block according to their respective zone...not try and take out a specific player..with options as to which player to take out depending on where in their zone they were..and options as to what to do if nobody was there or multiple players were in the zone.

Um, sorry, you have the blackboard wrong. Lombardi emphasized the line as a unit...instead of man 2 man. The rb then ran to the whole of his choosing..."run to daylight"....get it?

Vince learned ZB at West Point where it was being further developed by Red Blaik. Blaik combined ZB with option blocking. Blaik also developed option running (not THE OPTION as known at Oklahoma in the 70s)...the back read the blocks in front of him and adjusted to the hole.