Rebuilding the OL, again

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Spitz and Colledge are both free agents and both have shown that they are worth basically nothing at this point. Clifton and Tauscher are probably going to either retire or be gone after this year.

Pretty sad when TT's second, third and fourth rounders all were big time busts

Colledge is far too inconsistent to be a starter. He'll make a great play and then let someone get by him untouched.

Spitz cannot stay healthy and was pretty bad earlier this year. They may make a small offer to him.

Barbre is horrible and does not belong on an NFL Europe roster let alone an NFL one.

Lang and Sitton are the only ones who look capable of being solid starters and belonging. What is the deal with this?

[g4orce]

Re: Rebuilding the OL, again

Spitz and Colledge are both free agents and both have shown that they are worth basically nothing at this point. Clifton and Tauscher are probably going to either retire or be gone after this year.

Pretty sad when TT's second, third and fourth rounders all were big time busts

Colledge is far too inconsistent to be a starter. He'll make a great play and then let someone get by him untouched.

Spitz cannot stay healthy and was pretty bad earlier this year. They may make a small offer to him.

Barbre is horrible and does not belong on an NFL Europe roster let alone an NFL one.

Lang and Sitton are the only ones who look capable of being solid starters and belonging. What is the deal with this?

We'll just pretend 2007 was the only year he's been the GM of this team and keep on this terrible pace of being either below average or mediocre. Great!

[3irty1]

Both College and Spitz have put together quality seasons at guard. Unless they've actually regressed I think there's something else to blame. I can't speculate once but it just doesn't make sense that two solid starters turned to shit.

[Smidgeon]

Re: Rebuilding the OL, again

Spitz and Colledge are both free agents and both have shown that they are worth basically nothing at this point. Clifton and Tauscher are probably going to either retire or be gone after this year.

Pretty sad when TT's second, third and fourth rounders all were big time busts

Colledge is far too inconsistent to be a starter. He'll make a great play and then let someone get by him untouched.

Spitz cannot stay healthy and was pretty bad earlier this year. They may make a small offer to him.

Barbre is horrible and does not belong on an NFL Europe roster let alone an NFL one.

Lang and Sitton are the only ones who look capable of being solid starters and belonging. What is the deal with this?

So how was Spitz bad earlier in the year? And how is Barbre not even good enough to play in NFL E? Please substantiate.

[pbmax]

Do you ever think before you type, or do you start with a premise and just add in names, places and dates?? Spitz was doing fine at center and will be very good. Colledge has gone back to his 2nd year pass blocking technique. There is a problem there, I agree.

[bobblehead]

College starts so slow every year and looks awesome in the last 4-6 games....its a problem, but he can be very good at times. I think the Wells at center, spitz backing the inside is respectable. I think Lang takes colleges job next year, so the problem is both tackles. The 2 we got are old and not the same guys, the young guys don't look for real.

I still think the problems on this team can be solved 2 ways. Get 2 NFL quality tackles this year, one in FA, one by draft. Stop keeping guys mainly for special teams value. Keep guys with positional upside and MAKE them play special teams.

All I can say is....we gotta get this fixed.

[Fritz]

Haven't you heard, Bobble? MM's working on that this week - getting it fixed.

[bobblehead]

Re: Rebuilding the OL, again

Spitz and Colledge are both free agents and both have shown that they are worth basically nothing at this point. Clifton and Tauscher are probably going to either retire or be gone after this year.

Pretty sad when TT's second, third and fourth rounders all were big time busts

Colledge is far too inconsistent to be a starter. He'll make a great play and then let someone get by him untouched.

Spitz cannot stay healthy and was pretty bad earlier this year. They may make a small offer to him.

Barbre is horrible and does not belong on an NFL Europe roster let alone an NFL one.

Lang and Sitton are the only ones who look capable of being solid starters and belonging. What is the deal with this?

We'll just pretend 2007 was the only year he's been the GM of this team and keep on this terrible pace of being either below average or mediocre. Great!

Really dude, at some point you gotta start posting something of substance instead of this garbage. No one wants to read the constant barrage of crap. You can do it, honest...the thread is about the OL, so try really hard to post something worthwhile regarding the topic.

Most of the guys (myself included) agree that TT has had enough time to field a winner. I still believe in his METHOD of building a winner, but obviously his "guys" aren't getting the job done so it will be time to move on soon enough. In the meantime try and be a solid contributor or stop wasting pixels.

[bobblehead]

Haven't you heard, Bobble? MM's working on that this week - getting it fixed.

All is well, I just hope he is getting it fixed better than he gets pad level fixed.

[Partial]

Both College and Spitz have put together quality seasons at guard. Unless they've actually regressed I think there's something else to blame. I can't speculate once but it just doesn't make sense that two solid starters turned to shit.

Colledge has been horrible this year. Last week he gave up 2 more sacks.

Spitz has missed the majority of the season due to injury but did not look good when healthy either.

[Partial]

Do you ever think before you type, or do you start with a premise and just add in names, places and dates?? Spitz was doing fine at center and will be very good. Colledge has gone back to his 2nd year pass blocking technique. There is a problem there, I agree.

There was talk of benching Spitz when he was at Center and at LG. Furthermore, does this change the fact that they're likely in need of 3-4 new starting linemen after this year?

I cannot see Colledge being resigned. I don't see the Packers offering Spitz big money and I don't see him taking a short-term, cheap deal to play here coming off injury, either. I don't think either guy will be back.

[Fred's Slacks]

Re: Rebuilding the OL, again

Spitz and Colledge are both free agents and both have shown that they are worth basically nothing at this point. Clifton and Tauscher are probably going to either retire or be gone after this year.

Pretty sad when TT's second, third and fourth rounders all were big time busts

Colledge is far too inconsistent to be a starter. He'll make a great play and then let someone get by him untouched.

Spitz cannot stay healthy and was pretty bad earlier this year. They may make a small offer to him.

Barbre is horrible and does not belong on an NFL Europe roster let alone an NFL one.

Lang and Sitton are the only ones who look capable of being solid starters and belonging. What is the deal with this?

We'll just pretend 2007 was the only year he's been the GM of this team and keep on this terrible pace of being either below average or mediocre. Great!

Really dude, at some point you gotta start posting something of substance instead of this garbage. No one wants to read the constant barrage of crap. You can do it, honest...the thread is about the OL, so try really hard to post something worthwhile regarding the topic.

Most of the guys (myself included) agree that TT has had enough time to field a winner. I still believe in his METHOD of building a winner, but obviously his "guys" aren't getting the job done so it will be time to move on soon enough. In the meantime try and be a solid contributor or stop wasting pixels.

Well done.

Agree with everything you posted.

[rbaloha1]

Colledge should not be resigned. Too inconsistent. Unsure of the nature of Spitz's injury. Lang should replace Colledge. Still maintain Barbre should be a guard. Wells needs to be kept.

TT or whomever needs to use high picks on o-line. Ron Wolf found late round gems like Adam Timmerman, Mark Tauscher and Marco Rivera. Also used high picks on Aaron Taylor, Chad Cliffton and Earl Dotson.

TT has been unsuccessful in finding late round o-line gems. Needs to use higher round picks on o-linemen. Wonder if TT would have selected Andre Smith over Raji.

[ND72]

Re: Rebuilding the OL, again

Spitz and Colledge are both free agents and both have shown that they are worth basically nothing at this point. Clifton and Tauscher are probably going to either retire or be gone after this year.

Pretty sad when TT's second, third and fourth rounders all were big time busts

Colledge is far too inconsistent to be a starter. He'll make a great play and then let someone get by him untouched.

Spitz cannot stay healthy and was pretty bad earlier this year. They may make a small offer to him.

Barbre is horrible and does not belong on an NFL Europe roster let alone an NFL one.

Lang and Sitton are the only ones who look capable of being solid starters and belonging. What is the deal with this?

Spitz has shown he can play, but never had the chance this year.
Colledge needs to play Tackle. We need to sign him, incentive based, and play him only at Tackle and see if it works out.
I personally will not be sad to see Tauscher and Clifton gone.
Barbre? What has (or hasn't) Barbre done lately? Chicago was his only horrible game. Other than that he has been invisible, which is what a RT should be.
Lang is an NFL Guard, but won't get that chance.
Sitton has shown a lot of fight.

I still think our best OL is
LT - Colledge
LG - Lang
C - Spitz
RG - Sitton
RT - Lang

I would still love to see a crazy LT come in though. After watching some of the Tampa game again, I have to say a ton of technique is horrilbe, and that's coaching. guys balances aren't correct, and in pass pro they are all too aggressive. Pass pro is a passive action, and when you're an aggressive pass pro guy, unless you're Jonathan Ogden, you're gonna get hammered. They all need to sit back into their pass pro and be patient, and they're not. That all comes down to Campen.

[Smidgeon]

Colledge has been horrible this year. Last week he gave up 2 more sacks.

Spitz has missed the majority of the season due to injury but did not look good when healthy either.

Again, you said this in another thread. Could you please substantiate your claim that Spitz did not look good?