Shanny and Gruden

[Freak Out]

What about Charlie Weis? The guy was a hell of a pro coordinator and ND is going to give him the boot unless he wins out....which isn't likely.

Why are we even talking about the Head coach? When TT fires him we can talk.

[Packers4Ever]

What about Charlie Weis? The guy was a hell of a pro coordinator and ND is going to give him the boot unless he wins out....which isn't likely.

Why are we even talking about the Head coach? When TT fires him we can talk.

Realistically, when/how soon do you think that would happen?
Just after end of the season? Later?

[retailguy]

I'm not interested in any of the retreads, unless Jeff Fisher becomes available. And he used to play for the Bears, so I'm not sure he's worthy either.

How about Holmgren? He was successful with some other team before the Seahawks. Maybe he could be again?

[Brandon494]

Gruden won the Super Bowl his first year with Tony Dungy's team, then proceeded to throw together 5 mediocre-to-bad seasons (two 9-7, a 7-9, a 5 winner, and a 4 winner) and one 11-5 playoff stint right in the middle.

No consistency. A track record that would have had our fans wanting to burn him at the stake if his name wasn't Jon Gruden.

Why doesn't anyone see this? Because his name is Jon Gruden and everyone knows him and our fans are always dying for someone with name recognition? Because he gets angry?

It's hypocritical.

Everyone wants him because he has a ring, but what they fail to realize is that he got a ring with Dungy's team. The further removed Dungy was, the worse the record. Yell and scream all you want, but Dungy was the real coach there.

He didn't go so bad with the Raiders either if you guys remember. If not for the dumb tuck rule he would have taken the Raiders to the SB. Also he didn't ruin Dungy team, they just got old. I mean the best QB he had in TB was Brad Johnson. Gruden would be a big upgrade over MM. Only problem is Gruden wants to coach a vetern team and doesnt feel like waiting for a young team to develop.

[Smidgeon]

He didn't go so bad with the Raiders either if you guys remember. If not for the dumb tuck rule he would have taken the Raiders to the SB. Also he didn't ruin Dungy team, they just got old. I mean the best QB he had in TB was Brad Johnson. Gruden would be a big upgrade over MM. Only problem is Gruden wants to coach a vetern team and doesnt feel like waiting for a young team to develop.

I think the qualification there (and this is total speculation) is that most veteran coaches (i.e. those that have success elsewhere) probably don't want to be tied to a young QB that isn't developed. It's a risk since a bad QB can tank a franchise and a good one can be built around. M3 did the heavy lifting when it comes to training AR. The next coach doesn't have to worry about training up the QB for the next decade. They just have to worry about making sure he stays on track and protecting him. I think that makes the youngness of the roster palpable.

[Patler]

The youthfulness of the Packer roster is a bit misleading. While it is true that overall the roster is the youngest, it has also been pointed out that if you look at starters and top line reserves, the Packers are in the oldest 1/3. The youthfulness of the team right now is at the very bottom of the roster, although with injuries a few of those deep reserves have moved up.