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    There was an interesting article on ESPN the other day where one of the stats guys went through and timed how long Rodgers held onto the ball on every sack this year.



    How should we judge this data? It's important to note that every team has different standards for a quarterback's release, and often they depend on the type of dropback and route tree associated with the play call. Regardless, in West Coast offenses such as Green Bay's, the rule of thumb generally is four seconds. Put it this way: There are few plays designed for a quarterback to hold it longer, and given the state of the Packers' offensive line, I think you can safely assume none of them have been called.

    Gargiulo's chart has some big numbers on it, including 8.0 seconds last week against Tampa Bay and 6.5 seconds two weeks ago against Minnesota. But overall, Rodgers was sacked prior to the four-second mark on 28 of the 37 occasions.

    Even if you adjust for subjective timing and the intent of each particular play call, I think this study gives us an important baseline: It's roughly 3-1. We can fairly blame Rodgers for one of every four sacks he's taken.

    You might consider that a higher number than it should be, but I look at it differently. To me, it means the focus on Rodgers' role in the sacks shouldn't overshadow the bigger picture: Responsibility for the majority lies elsewhere.
    1 in 4 sounds about right to me. This line makes me sick. I watch other games and see the OL create a nice pocket. Then I watch the Packers and see the tackles getting bull-rushed into Rodgers almost every play.
    Go PACK

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    When opponents game plan for the Packers, their first thought is rush the passer with everything they got. They keep doing it until the Packers give them a reason not to: like a heavy dose of rushing, or quick slants, or screens, which the Packers don't do -- especially if the defense (or special teams gives up a quick score or a quick retaliatory score and MM panics and feels under the gun to score quickly.

    There is no mystery in what the Packers' offense is going to do. Drop back and pass downfield. We pass in situations when the defense expects us to pass and we rush hardly at all. Dah?

    That's a hell of burden on any offensive line, especially one that's beat up with injuries, musical-chair syndrome, inexperience and low or no confidence.
    One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
    John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers

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    • #3
      Green Bay uses a WCO? Could've fooled me. Unless I am mistaken the WCO uses a lot of short passes and slants, something MM is loathe to use. And the fool can't figure out why his QB is getting hammered every week? Please...

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      • #4
        thank you bossman, i was just asking for this stat yesterday

        good find

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Maxie the Taxi
          When opponents game plan for the Packers, their first thought is rush the passer with everything they got. They keep doing it until the Packers give them a reason not to: like a heavy dose of rushing, or quick slants, or screens, which the Packers don't do -- especially if the defense (or special teams gives up a quick score or a quick retaliatory score and MM panics and feels under the gun to score quickly.

          There is no mystery in what the Packers' offense is going to do. Drop back and pass downfield. We pass in situations when the defense expects us to pass and we rush hardly at all. Dah?

          That's a hell of burden on any offensive line, especially one that's beat up with injuries, musical-chair syndrome, inexperience and low or no confidence.
          Bucs only rushed four most of the time.
          Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by pbmax
            Bucs only rushed four most of the time.

            Yeah, and that's what makes it even more disturbing. There's nothing magical happening on the other side of the ball - other than the results.

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            • #7
              So much for the theory that Rodgers is responsible for the majority of the sacks.

              Great stuff!
              All hail the Ruler of the Meadow!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Pugger
                Green Bay uses a WCO? Could've fooled me. Unless I am mistaken the WCO uses a lot of short passes and slants, something MM is loathe to use. And the fool can't figure out why his QB is getting hammered every week? Please...

                Maybe Rodgers wont throw the slants and short passes? He NEVER throws over the middle of the field. Its quite disturbing.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by g4orce
                  Maybe Rodgers wont throw the slants and short passes? He NEVER throws over the middle of the field. Its quite disturbing.
                  As long as he isn't throwing late over the middle of the field...

                  As to "never", not true. He's thrown balls over the middle to Jones, Finley, Driver, etc. I just don't think you see a lot of short (< 5 yds) throws over that area.
                  No longer the member of any fan clubs. I'm tired of jinxing players out of the league and into obscurity.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Smidgeon
                    Originally posted by g4orce
                    Maybe Rodgers wont throw the slants and short passes? He NEVER throws over the middle of the field. Its quite disturbing.
                    As long as he isn't throwing late over the middle of the field...

                    As to "never", not true. He's thrown balls over the middle to Jones, Finley, Driver, etc. I just don't think you see a lot of short (< 5 yds) throws over that area.
                    He's thrown over the middle plenty. Here's his stats per ESPN:



                    It's like Mythbusters around here with Rodgers today.
                    All hail the Ruler of the Meadow!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by pbmax
                      Originally posted by Maxie the Taxi
                      When opponents game plan for the Packers, their first thought is rush the passer with everything they got. They keep doing it until the Packers give them a reason not to: like a heavy dose of rushing, or quick slants, or screens, which the Packers don't do -- especially if the defense (or special teams gives up a quick score or a quick retaliatory score and MM panics and feels under the gun to score quickly.

                      There is no mystery in what the Packers' offense is going to do. Drop back and pass downfield. We pass in situations when the defense expects us to pass and we rush hardly at all. Dah?

                      That's a hell of burden on any offensive line, especially one that's beat up with injuries, musical-chair syndrome, inexperience and low or no confidence.
                      Bucs only rushed four most of the time.
                      I think he meant the DL is not worrying about the run game, and "pinning its ears back" and just rushing the passer. That said, I don't think McCarthy's play calling is to blame for the Packers pass protection problems: the OL gets full credit for that. McCarthy's play calling is only to blame for its failure to adjust to the putrid performances put out by the front five.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Cheesehead Craig
                        Originally posted by Smidgeon
                        Originally posted by g4orce
                        Maybe Rodgers wont throw the slants and short passes? He NEVER throws over the middle of the field. Its quite disturbing.
                        As long as he isn't throwing late over the middle of the field...

                        As to "never", not true. He's thrown balls over the middle to Jones, Finley, Driver, etc. I just don't think you see a lot of short (< 5 yds) throws over that area.
                        He's thrown over the middle plenty. Here's his stats per ESPN:



                        It's like Mythbusters around here with Rodgers today.

                        YIKES! Nice stats...

                        So maybe he attemps to throw over the middle but just flat out sucks at it? That should work out real well for a WCO? Oh wait, maybe thats why were struggling a lil bit too?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Cheesehead Craig
                          Originally posted by Smidgeon
                          Originally posted by g4orce
                          Maybe Rodgers wont throw the slants and short passes? He NEVER throws over the middle of the field. Its quite disturbing.
                          As long as he isn't throwing late over the middle of the field...

                          As to "never", not true. He's thrown balls over the middle to Jones, Finley, Driver, etc. I just don't think you see a lot of short (< 5 yds) throws over that area.
                          He's thrown over the middle plenty. Here's his stats per ESPN:



                          It's like Mythbusters around here with Rodgers today.
                          One interesting point is that his pass rating for throws over the middle is significantly lower (68 vs. 90s and above) than for any other throw. I wonder if that speaks to Rodgers strenghts (outs. comebacks and gos more than slants) or if it's a function of the protection problems and fewer throwing lanes in middle of pocket.

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                          • #14
                            I would like the headline to have read "Rodgers Holds Balls too Long"
                            "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

                            KYPack

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by hoosier
                              One interesting point is that his pass rating for throws over the middle is significantly lower (68 vs. 90s and above) than for any other throw. I wonder if that speaks to Rodgers strenghts (outs. comebacks and gos more than slants) or if it's a function of the protection problems and fewer throwing lanes in middle of pocket.
                              He certainly loves him some sideline...
                              No longer the member of any fan clubs. I'm tired of jinxing players out of the league and into obscurity.

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