Alledged Negative Comment to MM get Lambeau Worker Canned

[Scott Campbell]

I'd have fired him for looking at me funny.

[KYPack]

This seems to be a PR thing, for sure. The main "fact" out there from this epidode is the paper taking that one side and using it to make MM look like a total dick.

That's a guy with little support who is a rather fat sitting duck. MM is a target right now, and it doesn't bode well for his job security.

He needs some wins to rehab his image in a big way.

Pittsburgh Mike is in a real "devine" situation, it seems.

Its too bad we didn't know about it earlier. We could have testified that it was Slocum and Campen that put him up to it.

I was thinking along those lines. If a story comes out that Campen and Slocum were caught drowning kittens, we'll know the villagers of GB are lighting their torches and preparing to march.

[Pugger]

So now if a guy gets fired from the maintenance crew that is somehow MM's fault too? I have a hard time believing this guy got the axe for saying something inappropriate to MM. I wonder what else this guy has done lately to warrant his dismissal?

[mraynrand]

Can I get a clarification? Are the wheels coming off, is someone under there or both?

I took it to mean that the wheels are coming off of McCarthy's metaphorical bus.

It was the best picture I could quickly find of "the wheels have fallen off the bus"

I thought the 'throwing the worker under the bus' concept was jumping to conclusions. Really, what we need here is a "Jump to conclusions" Mat.

[mraynrand]

So now if a guy gets fired from the maintenance crew that is somehow MM's fault too? I have a hard time believing this guy got the axe for saying something inappropriate to MM. I wonder what else this guy has done lately to warrant his dismissal?

He was probably jumping to conclusions.

[FritzDontBlitz]

If he was insulting, I have more respect for him saying it to the Coach directly that the bonehead Eagles worker who put it on his Facebook page.

A suspension seems like it would have been a better idea unless there was precedent.

It probably didn't help that he refused to fess up to it.

You don't know that he did anything. We've only heard his side of the story and he says he did not say what was heard. I think it's jumping to conclusions here.

No.

Management said they determined he said it. It doesn't matter whether he did or did not, they determined he did. Thus, it probably did not help that he didn't admit to it. If he had and perhaps had agreed to apologize, it might have helped his situation.

No conclusion jumping involved.

So, essentially you're saying that even if he didn't say it he should fess up and apologize because management decided he did say it and his word doesn't really matter.

And what 3rd world country are you from again?

[denverYooper]

That's the worst idea I've ever heard.

[Waldo]

So now if a guy gets fired from the maintenance crew that is somehow MM's fault too? I have a hard time believing this guy got the axe for saying something inappropriate to MM. I wonder what else this guy has done lately to warrant his dismissal?

He was probably jumping to conclusions.

[sharpe1027]

So, essentially you're saying that even if he didn't say it he should fess up and apologize because management decided he did say it and his word doesn't really matter.

And what 3rd world country are you from again?

No. I am saying that once management decided he said it, then his denial probably didn't help his case. It doesn't matter what he should have done. It doesn't matter if they were right or wrong in their conclusion. It is what it is. For whatever reason, they didn't believe him and probably thought he lied.

Moving on.

Let me jump to a conclusion, based upon the limited bit of knowledge we have, they asked him what he said. He told them something that didn't match what others heard. They asked if it wasn't him, then who said it. He had no answer. I'd say there's a decent chance he lied about what he said to protect his job. Many of us would do similar things in that type of situations, whether or not we would admit it to even ourselves.

[Smidgeon]

So, essentially you're saying that even if he didn't say it he should fess up and apologize because management decided he did say it and his word doesn't really matter.

And what 3rd world country are you from again?

I don't know what the original point was, but sometimes, even if you're innocent, a guiltless apology can be made if the situation demands it. For example: "If I did or said something that was taken poorly, I apologize. It is not my intention to be disrespectful." It doesn't admit guilt and is simple tact.

I don't know what happened and have no specific opinion about this, which is why I haven't commented. I'm just replying to your notion that an apology implies guilt. It doesn't. It can often imply an understanding of a situation and be a tool to relieve that tension.

[MadtownPacker]

So now if a guy gets fired from the maintenance crew that is somehow MM's fault too? I have a hard time believing this guy got the axe for saying something inappropriate to MM. I wonder what else this guy has done lately to warrant his dismissal?

Are you stu-stu-stupid or something? Did you actually read the article or you to busy worshipping Buddha Mike?

"Reached for comment, the Packers released a statement: "The organization has standards of conduct that apply to all employees, full-time and part-time, in order to maintain a respectful workplace. Mr. Wood's supervisors determined he made an inappropriate comment, and he was relieved of his duties."

The boss wasnt there so someone had to tell and it sounds like McDoughboy was the one who went crying.

Sounds like someone's hotseat is causing him to lash out. The man worked for the Pack for over 20 years and suddenly he turns into a rude prick who deserves to be canned? And if he did say it, fuck it. It was worth it to tell fatass face to face that he sucks.

[MadtownPacker]

I'd have fired him for looking at me funny.

You're right. Ted shouldn't let McDonut look at him funny.

[pbmax]

Oh - I thought that was someone looking to see who'd been thrown under it!

Works either way I think.

In answer to Red's question, no McCarthy wouldn't be his direct superior, but McCarthy is essentially the 4th highest guy on the totem pole. Not by title (he isn't a Vice President according to Packers.com) but de facto:
Exec Committee
Mark Murphy
Thompson
McCarthy

He might be the second highest paid employee and the third most influential.

If you were a Custodian at a bank, would you consider it wise to comment on the performance of the Vice President of Loans? Probably not. Maybe tease him about his golf game, but not the performance of his division.

[Smidgeon]

So, essentially you're saying that even if he didn't say it he should fess up and apologize because management decided he did say it and his word doesn't really matter.

And what 3rd world country are you from again?

I don't know what the original point was, but sometimes, even if you're innocent, a guiltless apology can be made if the situation demands it. For example: "If I did or said something that was taken poorly, I apologize. It is not my intention to be disrespectful." It doesn't admit guilt and is simple tact.

I don't know what happened and have no specific opinion about this, which is why I haven't commented. I'm just replying to your notion that an apology implies guilt. It doesn't. It can often imply an understanding of a situation and be a tool to relieve that tension.

You can also make an apology into a veiled insult: "I'm sorry that what I said was misinterpreted..."

Or into a not-so-veiled insult: "I'm sorry that the person who presented these allegations is so dumb that he can't tell the difference between spite and being a fan..."

[pbmax]

If he was insulting, I have more respect for him saying it to the Coach directly that the bonehead Eagles worker who put it on his Facebook page.

A suspension seems like it would have been a better idea unless there was precedent.

It probably didn't help that he refused to fess up to it.

You don't know that he did anything. We've only heard his side of the story and he says he did not say what was heard. I think it's jumping to conclusions here.

No.

Management said they determined he said it. It doesn't matter whether he did or did not, they determined he did. Thus, it probably did not help that he didn't admit to it. If he had and perhaps had agreed to apologize, it might have helped his situation.

No conclusion jumping involved.

So, essentially you're saying that even if he didn't say it he should fess up and apologize because management decided he did say it and his word doesn't really matter.

And what 3rd world country are you from again?

This is an at will employment state (I think that is the correct term). You do realize that if your employer thinks it should be rid of you for any reason, you are going to be leaving? The only difference here is that they may have fired him with cause.