Alledged Negative Comment to MM get Lambeau Worker Canned

[gbpackfan]

If he was insulting, I have more respect for him saying it to the Coach directly that the bonehead Eagles worker who put it on his Facebook page.

A suspension seems like it would have been a better idea unless there was precedent.

It probably didn't help that he refused to fess up to it.

You don't know that he did anything. We've only heard his side of the story and he says he did not say what was heard. I think it's jumping to conclusions here.

No.

Management said they determined he said it. It doesn't matter whether he did or did not, they determined he did. Thus, it probably did not help that he didn't admit to it. If he had and perhaps had agreed to apologize, it might have helped his situation.

No conclusion jumping involved.

So, essentially you're saying that even if he didn't say it he should fess up and apologize because management decided he did say it and his word doesn't really matter.

And what 3rd world country are you from again?

This is an at will employment state (I think that is the correct term). You do realize that if your employer thinks it should be rid of you for any reason, you are going to be leaving? The only difference here is that they may have fired him with cause.

Exactly right. Wisconsin, unless a unionized work place, is an at will Employment state. Which means you get hired or fired "at will". Your employer does not need a reason to can your ass.

So you can legally be fired for being black in Wisconsin? You can be legally be fired for being Jewish? You can legally be fired for being a woman? Your statement is completely false. And for your sake, and your company's, I hope you aren't in HR. You better have a valid reason for firing someone and you better have a paper trail detailing EVERYTHING.

[sharpe1027]

So you can legally be fired for being black in Wisconsin? You can be legally be fired for being Jewish? You can legally be fired for being a woman? Your statement is completely false. And for your sake, and your company's, I hope you aren't in HR. You better have a valid reason for firing someone and you better have a paper trail detailing EVERYTHING.

I think there's a difference between firing someone for an improper reason and firing them for no reason at all. Is it good practice to document everything like you suggest, sure, but that doesn't mean you don't have a right to fire someone for no reason whatsoever.

[swede]

So you can legally be fired for being black in Wisconsin? You can be legally be fired for being Jewish? You can legally be fired for being a woman? Your statement is completely false.

He's right. When is the last time a Jewish black woman got fired for lipping off to the coach?

But if I were Sammi Davis I'd still watch my mouth around McCarthy until after the Dallas game.

[green_bowl_packer]

So you can legally be fired for being black in Wisconsin? You can be legally be fired for being Jewish? You can legally be fired for being a woman? Your statement is completely false.

He's right. When is the last time a Jewish black woman got fired for lipping off to the coach?

But if I were Sammi Davis I'd still watch my mouth around McCarthy until after the Dallas game.

Or Whoopi Goldberg

[gbpackfan]

So you can legally be fired for being black in Wisconsin? You can be legally be fired for being Jewish? You can legally be fired for being a woman? Your statement is completely false. And for your sake, and your company's, I hope you aren't in HR. You better have a valid reason for firing someone and you better have a paper trail detailing EVERYTHING.

I think there's a difference between firing someone for an improper reason and firing them for no reason at all. Is it good practice to document everything like you suggest, sure, but that doesn't mean you don't have a right to fire someone for no reason whatsoever.

Ha ha ha ha. So you fire someone, let's say a black woman, for NO REASON AT ALL. She then claims racism and takes you to court. Your defense is going to be WE FIRED HER FOR NO REASON! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA. Please, hire my wife and then fire her for no reason. What a great way to earn free money! HA HA HA HA HA HA.

[Smidgeon]

So you can legally be fired for being black in Wisconsin? You can be legally be fired for being Jewish? You can legally be fired for being a woman? Your statement is completely false. And for your sake, and your company's, I hope you aren't in HR. You better have a valid reason for firing someone and you better have a paper trail detailing EVERYTHING.

I think there's a difference between firing someone for an improper reason and firing them for no reason at all. Is it good practice to document everything like you suggest, sure, but that doesn't mean you don't have a right to fire someone for no reason whatsoever.

Ha ha ha ha. So you fire someone, let's say a black woman, for NO REASON AT ALL. She then claims racism and takes you to court. Your defense is going to be WE FIRED HER FOR NO REASON! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA. Please, hire my wife and then fire her for no reason. What a great way to earn free money! HA HA HA HA HA HA.

Except you know better than anyone saying "We fired her for no reason." Here in the business world, you can say a lot without saying anything. You can hide effectively behind business speak. I've seen people fired over "personal differences", "developmental differences", etc. It's easy to find something that fits a situation that is a "no reason" situation. You know that. Or at least I hope that anybody who's old enough to be married grasps something that simple.

[sharpe1027]

Ha ha ha ha. So you fire someone, let's say a black woman, for NO REASON AT ALL. She then claims racism and you takes you to court. Your defense is going to be WE FIRED HER FOR NO REASON! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA. Please, hire my wife and then fire her for no reason. What a great way to earn free money! HA HA HA HA HA HA.

Look, I agree with you that it is a good practice (and extra defense against BS lawsuits that people like you would bring) to have some other reason as a defense. Still, that doesn't change the fact that Wisconsin does not legally require a showing of cause to fire someone. Just because people try to work the system, and many people in HR are scared to death of lawsuits (probably because of people like you) that doesn't change the facts.

I'd love to see some evidence to backup your claims. I bet there are a ton of cases get thrown out without so much as a dime being paid because people like you think they have a case. You seem so sure though, perhaps you have compiled data on successful race-based discriminations for simple firings?

[gbpackfan]

Ha ha ha ha. So you fire someone, let's say a black woman, for NO REASON AT ALL. She then claims racism and you takes you to court. Your defense is going to be WE FIRED HER FOR NO REASON! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA. Please, hire my wife and then fire her for no reason. What a great way to earn free money! HA HA HA HA HA HA.

Look, I agree with you that it is a good practice (and extra defense against BS lawsuits that people like you would bring) to have some other reason as a defense. Still, that doesn't change the fact that Wisconsin does not legally require a showing of cause to fire someone. Just because people try to work the system, and many people in HR are scared to death of lawsuits (probably because of people like you) that doesn't change the facts.

I'd love to see some evidence to backup your claims. I bet there are a ton of cases get thrown out without so much as a dime being paid because people like you think they have a case. You seem so sure though, perhaps you have compiled data on successful race-based discriminations for simple firings?

Easy on the personal shots pal. I have NEVER filed a lawsuit against anyone. I was just trying to make the point that you can't fire people FOR NO REASON. Yes, it absurd. This whole conversation is pointless and stupid. But I am not the one who made the retarded statement that you can fire someone without reason. Sure, you can lie and make up some BS reason. But then what is the real reason? You're a racist?

Since you know everything, you show me your stats. You know, the ones that show how many people get fired every year FOR NO REASON WHAT-SO-EVER!

[sharpe1027]

Ha ha ha ha. So you fire someone, let's say a black woman, for NO REASON AT ALL. She then claims racism and you takes you to court. Your defense is going to be WE FIRED HER FOR NO REASON! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA. Please, hire my wife and then fire her for no reason. What a great way to earn free money! HA HA HA HA HA HA.

Easy on the personal shots pal. I have NEVER filed a lawsuit against anyone. I was just trying to make the point that you can't fire people FOR NO REASON. Yes, it absurd. This whole conversation is pointless and stupid. But I am not the one who made the retarded statement that you can fire someone without reason. Since you know everything, you show me your stats. You know, the ones that show how many people get fired every year FOR NO REASON WHAT-SO-EVER!

The law is what it is. Stats won't change it.

[gbpackfan]

Ha ha ha ha. So you fire someone, let's say a black woman, for NO REASON AT ALL. She then claims racism and you takes you to court. Your defense is going to be WE FIRED HER FOR NO REASON! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA. Please, hire my wife and then fire her for no reason. What a great way to earn free money! HA HA HA HA HA HA.

Easy on the personal shots pal. I have NEVER filed a lawsuit against anyone. I was just trying to make the point that you can't fire people FOR NO REASON. Yes, it absurd. This whole conversation is pointless and stupid. But I am not the one who made the retarded statement that you can fire someone without reason. Since you know everything, you show me your stats. You know, the ones that show how many people get fired every year FOR NO REASON WHAT-SO-EVER!

The law is what it is. Stats won't change it.

The law is what 12 people say it is.

[Smidgeon]

Ha ha ha ha. So you fire someone, let's say a black woman, for NO REASON AT ALL. She then claims racism and you takes you to court. Your defense is going to be WE FIRED HER FOR NO REASON! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA. Please, hire my wife and then fire her for no reason. What a great way to earn free money! HA HA HA HA HA HA.

Easy on the personal shots pal. I have NEVER filed a lawsuit against anyone. I was just trying to make the point that you can't fire people FOR NO REASON. Yes, it absurd. This whole conversation is pointless and stupid. But I am not the one who made the retarded statement that you can fire someone without reason. Since you know everything, you show me your stats. You know, the ones that show how many people get fired every year FOR NO REASON WHAT-SO-EVER!

The law is what it is. Stats won't change it.

The law is what 12 people say it is.

12 people prove guilt. They don't change the law (except in the rare unprecedented cases, in which case it's history that changes the law rather than 12 people.)

[MOBB DEEP]

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[pbmax]

So you can legally be fired for being black in Wisconsin? You can be legally be fired for being Jewish? You can legally be fired for being a woman? Your statement is completely false. And for your sake, and your company's, I hope you aren't in HR. You better have a valid reason for firing someone and you better have a paper trail detailing EVERYTHING.

No. Anti-discrimination laws and Federal civil right laws prevent you for being fired for reasons of race, creed, religion, etc. But the burden of proof is on the plaintiff in those cases, to prove that the reason for dismissal was invalid according to the law.

Employment at will means in most cases, the employer does not need to meet a burden of proof to enforce its decision or protect itself. If one party takes further action (unemployment claim, files suit for wrongful termination) then you may need to have your ducks in a row.

And it isn't just Wisconsin. Most states are at will employment these days. Right to Work laws have been coming off the books for some time.

[Willard]

Regarding the credibility of this fine stadium debris collector -- did anyone else find this comment rather unusual:
"This was going to be my last year," said Wood, who said he had been working for the Packers for at least 22 years and as many as 25. "The truth is it was starting to get to me, the cold weather and so on," he said.

This guy doesnt know how long he has worked for the Pack? His dream job? He can only narrow it down to a 3-year window? I definitely want to hear more from this cat. This has the potential to get better and better. I smell a reality TV show.......

[SnakeLH2006]

All those who ripped Sherman for not having thick skin can now bag on MM

Snake always like Shermy the Head Coach (winner...players respected him) but not as GM. MM keeps sliding lower and lower every week. Seriously watch his show. It's terrible. Larry McCarreeren is now throwing him under the bus with the penalties and sacks. Fans do too on there. McFatty looks clueless in response. "We'll continue to work on it. It's a work in progress."

McFatty just sucks. Way in over his head. Bring on Cowher Power Snake says! Go eat a cheeseburger with Partial, McFatty. I'm sure Partial can tell you how you can utilize Arod better by benching him for the weak-armed backup QB after 10 doublecheeseburgers or so.