Aaron gets a big win

[Bossman641]

He's playing well, thats for sure.

Which is it?

He's the next big deal, He sucks, he's good, he's average, he sucks, he's playing well.

He's playing well right now, that doesn't mean he is a star player or even a good player. You cannot look at a few game stretch and ignore the entire body of work. He's still below .500 as a starter.

Tom Peliserro just was talking about Rodgers with scouts and they ranked him in around 20, very similar to where the scouts McGinn talked to ranked him. I have him higher than that as I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and see that he has talent, but he's probably around the 10-12 best QB in the NFL. Middle third.

Do you have a link to this? I'd love to see it.

I believe it was in one of the articles you personally requested that I post, yet didn't even say thank you like a selfish jerk.

Go find it yourself. It's either in the list of articles I posted for you or JSO or GBPG. Coudln't be more than two weeks old.

Whatever man. Gonna chalk this one up to you having a bad day.

I thanked you for the articles you had posted and then asked if you could do the same for Dallas when you had a chance. Didn't know I had to personally thank you again.

Thanks for blessing me with this post though

[Freak Out]

WTF? Must be the Turkey.

[Bossman641]

I believe it was in one of the articles you personally requested that I post, yet didn't even say thank you like a selfish jerk.

Go find it yourself. It's either in the list of articles I posted for you or JSO or GBPG. Coudln't be more than two weeks old.

Since I'm a really nice, great guy despite you being a total douchebag (it takes two seconds to say thank you, fucking really...), here is your link.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20091115/PKR01/311150118/-1/pkrchat/Read-the-transcript--Postgame-chat-with-Tom-Pelissero

On an unrelated note, I absolutely do not like these damn wrappers for content that break indexing content.

WTF is your deal

THANK YOU FOR THE LINK PARTIAL

[Waldo]

Tom Pelissero:
Rodgers is not an elite QB at this stage, no. Some scouts put him in the second group down. I talked to one AFC scout before the season who thought he was a little below average among starters -- somewhere between 16 and 20. He needs to win. That's a key stat for QBs

Oh remember my thoughts on scouts. LOL, friends, buddies, whatever that watch games. An AFC scout? A friend that is an Indy fan.

Anyway, the same Pelissero that still thinks that Cutler is the better QB between he and Rodgers. This chat actually prompted threads at other MB's. One in particular was "Pelissero is a douche". Everybody agreed.

[Bossman641]

Tom Peliserro just was talking about Rodgers with scouts and they ranked him in around 20, very similar to where the scouts McGinn talked to ranked him.

Rodgers is not an elite QB at this stage, no. Some scouts put him in the second group down. I talked to one AFC scout before the season who thought he was a little below average among starters -- somewhere between 16 and 20.

I'd say one scout ranking him 16-20 is a little different then "they" (scouts) ranking him around 20.

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Tom Pelissero:
Rodgers is not an elite QB at this stage, no. Some scouts put him in the second group down. I talked to one AFC scout before the season who thought he was a little below average among starters -- somewhere between 16 and 20. He needs to win. That's a key stat for QBs

Oh remember my thoughts on scouts. LOL, friends, buddies, whatever that watch games. An AFC scout? A friend that is an Indy fan.

Anyway, the same Pelissero that still thinks that Cutler is the better QB between he and Rodgers. This chat actually prompted threads at other MB's. One in particular was "Pelissero is a douche". Everybody agreed.

You may be right about the scouts, I have no idea, but I completely disagree with you. What possible reason do you have to believe that they're lying when they say they are consulting scouts? Their integrity and careers are at stake... This is one of the more out there opinions I've heard of here yet. I mean why on earth would they lie about that?

Despite neither of them winning last year, Cutler was very close to Rodgers in statistical performance. Both put up great stats, but I think few would argue that Denver had the same type of healthy depth at wideout.

Yards (which are meaningless):
Rodgers - 4,038
Cutler - 4,526

YPA:
Rodgers - 7.5
Cutler - 7.3

TD:
Rodgers - 28
Cutler - 25

INT:
Rodgers - 13
Cutler - 18

Sack:
Rodgers - 34
Cutler - 11

Fumbles:
Rodgers - 10
Cutler - 5

Rating:
Rodgers - 93.8
Cutler - 86.0

Wins:
Rodgers - 6
Cutler - 8

As you can see, statistically it's very close, despite Rodgers surrounding talent coming a Bush recovered fumble away from the super bowl. Cutler's was coming off a 7-9 year. Seems to me that Rodgers had better talent around him.

I don't think Peliserro's assessment is unreasonable. Cutler has played awful this year, but that doesn't mean he's an awful player. It could very well mean that he is a rigid player who won't change his game to match the talent around him. That means he's playing badly, not necessarily a bad player. I imagine if both had quality talent around them both would have success.

[Lurker64]

Oh remember my thoughts on scouts. LOL, friends, buddies, whatever that watch games. An AFC scout? A friend that is an Indy fan.

It's also worth noting that every bad draft pick ever made, no matter how laughable? Some scout somewhere liked the guy. Scouts are wrong about players all the time. Just saying "a scout said..." is no guarantee of credibility. The best scouts are employed by NFL teams and won't tell you what they think of players.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Any scout that thinks Rodgers is ranked around the 20th best QB in the league should be fired immediately. 4500 yards, 32 passing TDs, 7 interceptions, 360 rushing yards, 5 TDs. That is what Rodgers is on pace for, and we are through 11 games.

[PlantPage55]

Any scout that thinks Rodgers is ranked around the 20th best QB in the league should be fired immediately. 4500 yards, 32 passing TDs, 7 interceptions, 360 rushing yards, 5 TDs. That is what Rodgers is on pace for, and we are through 11 games.

No shit.

Putting Rodgers outside the top 10 strains credibility. Putting him around TWENTY?! You're a fucking wacko with a vendetta, if you think that.

Based on youth and potential, there's no one I'd rather have than Rodgers.

As far as comparing him to QBs in the NFL RIGHT NOW, I'd say he's behind Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Brett Favre, and Tom Brady and that's it. I think that the only thing that these guys have on him is their experience to have seen almost anything that an NFL game will throw at you.

[sepporepi]

Just average the guy:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_active.htm

He is still 13-14 as a starter...

[retailguy]

Oh remember my thoughts on scouts. LOL, friends, buddies, whatever that watch games. An AFC scout? A friend that is an Indy fan.

Anyway, the same Pelissero that still thinks that Cutler is the better QB between he and Rodgers. This chat actually prompted threads at other MB's. One in particular was "Pelissero is a douche". Everybody agreed.

Everybody agreed? Well, it must be so, then.

[Fosco33]

Chatting with Pelissero after the game - a few tid bits:

In response to a fake Cutler, " Tom Pelissero: I don't think anyone has loads of respect for you right now, Jay. You're a pariah in Chicago. You have a better arm than Rodgers but by all indications a worse head."

Last time I checked this was a team effort. If Rodgers does well why does his team need to win to be recognized as a quality QB? Sometimes you can have a good QB on a bad team.

Tom Pelissero: That's very true. But QBs are judged more heavily on their team's record, because it's the most important position and an instant leadership role. Intangibles are huge. I've talked to scouts who think Rodgers has all those intangibles, but to get big-time respect, you need to win. That's why good QBs like Rodgers and Schaub and Romo don't make everybody's top 10, because they haven't proven they can lift a team and produce when it matters most.

Maybe Tom is turning...

[ThunderDan]

I believe it was in one of the articles you personally requested that I post, yet didn't even say thank you like a selfish jerk.

Go find it yourself. It's either in the list of articles I posted for you or JSO or GBPG. Coudln't be more than two weeks old.

Since I'm a really nice, great guy despite you being a total douchebag (it takes two seconds to say thank you, fucking really...), here is your link.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20091115/PKR01/311150118/-1/pkrchat/Read-the-transcript--Postgame-chat-with-Tom-Pelissero

On an unrelated note, I absolutely do not like these damn wrappers for content that break indexing content.

Way to go "Positvie Posterboy!"

[ThunderDan]

As you can see, statistically it's very close, despite Rodgers surrounding talent coming a Bush recovered fumble away from the super bowl. Cutler's was coming off a 7-9 year. Seems to me that Rodgers had better talent around him.

And Cutler had no talent around him in Denver? Marshall, Royal and down to their 7th string RB but still managed to rush for 1,800+ yards as a team ranking 12th in rushing. They had 3 offensive Pro Bowlers to our 0.

Than he goes to Chicago and all of the people who said Cutler would struggle because he doesn't have the weapons they do in Denver were told that your crazy and Cutler would elevate the whole Chicago offensive attack.

I guess we see that 1 QB doesn't make that great of a difference. Because if Cutler could he should have taken a 9-7 Chicago team last year with no "Awesome" QB to at least 11-5 because he has "it" and should be able to win the games that Sexy Rexy couldn't.

[pbmax]

Tom Pelissero: That's very true. But QBs are judged more heavily on their team's record, because it's the most important position and an instant leadership role. Intangibles are huge. I've talked to scouts who think Rodgers has all those intangibles, but to get big-time respect, you need to win. That's why good QBs like Rodgers and Schaub and Romo don't make everybody's top 10, because they haven

This is lazy thinking and horrible analysis. Essentially, he is saying two things:

We will know he is good after he proves to the most clueless observer that he is good by winning multiple playoff games.

And he is saying "I, Tom Pelissero, have no idea what it means to be a good NFL QB and therefore, neither do you. No one can predict the future and my job as a reporter is to just repeat what has been made obvious after the fact."

Someone should have followed up by having Tom explain why Jeff Hostetler and Mark Rypien and among the top 25 QBs of the last 40 some years.

Lazy moronic analysis.