The Packers have a shot!!

[bobblehead]

Still skeptical since the majority of defensive success was against poor offenses. Bush still concerns me along with a lack of pass rush without blitzing.

Nonetheless the defense is forcing t/o and stopping the run. Lets wait until the playoffs to see what type of defense the Packers really possess.

One point though, is that the 3-4 is designed to blitz at least one LBer almost every down. I think (others can confirm or deny) pressure in the 3-4 is really designed to come from a blitz and not as much from the front 3.

That being said, our front 3 (or 2 in the nickel) are still decent pocket-pushers.

Thank you for clarifying. Meant pass rush from 4. CM is okay but is not like AK with an arsenal of pass rushing moves.

BP, BJ and JT do not show any pass rush ability.

How many sacks does AK have?

What moves does AK have that CM doesn't have?

Do you feel AK has half the ability to make the play that CM did on the sack before the half against Detroit?

What has AK done this year to make you think he's premier?

Hand in the ground or not, at some point, you still have to just beat the one person in front of you. How many times has AK beat a guy this year one on one? How many times has CM done that?

Kamp beat his guy a LOT of times this year. What does he have that CM doesn't have?? Hand technique for one, no one locks up Kamp...ever. Kamp likely still leads the team in QB hits/pressures.

[Partial]

This defense was destroyed against good offenses earlier in the year and likely will be again. They may make the playoffs but I don't think they're fit to win.

You mean like Dallas?

When we played Dallas their D was clicking better than their O imo. I believe Ware was on a hot streak for sacks.

Like Minne. Absolutely slaughtered. Not nearly as close as the scoreboard reflected due to garbage time.

Dallas?? DIDN'T COUNT....when are you people going to realize that anything positive this team does didn't count??

Nah, Dallas is a good team and we punched them in the mouth. Doesn't change the fact they've gotten punched in the mouth hard by Minne twice now.

[mission]

This defense was destroyed against good offenses earlier in the year and likely will be again. They may make the playoffs but I don't think they're fit to win.

You mean like Dallas?

When we played Dallas their D was clicking better than their O imo. I believe Ware was on a hot streak for sacks.

Like Minne. Absolutely slaughtered. Not nearly as close as the scoreboard reflected due to garbage time.

Dallas?? DIDN'T COUNT....when are you people going to realize that anything positive this team does didn't count??

It's more than frustrating. It's almost a fight not worth fighting.

I swear Partial is just someone's alter-ego alias that they use to get a stir out of the group and get them to respond more and thus more page views etc... If there was advertising on the site and no one had actually met Partial IRL, I'd be convinced it was true.

But you know, this isn't JUST a Packers thing. Miserable people are not just miserable some of the time or only pertaining to one thing. They're miserable all the time and want all others to feel their pain.

It keeps us busy if anything.

[mission]

This defense was destroyed against good offenses earlier in the year and likely will be again. They may make the playoffs but I don't think they're fit to win.

You mean like Dallas?

When we played Dallas their D was clicking better than their O imo. I believe Ware was on a hot streak for sacks.

Like Minne. Absolutely slaughtered. Not nearly as close as the scoreboard reflected due to garbage time.

Dallas?? DIDN'T COUNT....when are you people going to realize that anything positive this team does didn't count??

Nah, Dallas is a good team and we punched them in the mouth. Doesn't change the fact they've gotten punched in the mouth hard by Minne twice now.

No it doesn't.

But that has a whole lot more to do with Minnesota than it does 'OUR DEFENSE IS BARELY TOP 5" ... the Favre/Rodgers factor alone is huge. We have a kid. They have a HOFer.

I like our guy more... just, because... you know, I want something new.

Ask Adrian Peterson who punched who in the mouth. He didn't do shit against us either game.

The Brett Favre factor is just too much. I said it.

I still love Rodgers.

And dammit, I love the Pack!

[pbmax]

This defense was destroyed against good offenses earlier in the year and likely will be again. They may make the playoffs but I don't think they're fit to win.

You mean like Dallas?

When we played Dallas their D was clicking better than their O imo. I believe Ware was on a hot streak for sacks.

Like Minne. Absolutely slaughtered. Not nearly as close as the scoreboard reflected due to garbage time.

Dallas?? DIDN'T COUNT....when are you people going to realize that anything positive this team does didn't count??

Nah, Dallas is a good team and we punched them in the mouth. Doesn't change the fact they've gotten punched in the mouth hard by Minne twice now.

No it doesn't.

But that has a whole lot more to do with Minnesota than it does 'OUR DEFENSE IS BARELY TOP 5" ... the Favre/Rodgers factor alone is huge. We have a kid. They have a HOFer.

I like our guy more... just, because... you know, I want something new.

Ask Adrian Peterson who punched who in the mouth. He didn't do shit against us either game.

The Brett Favre factor is just too much. I said it.

I still love Rodgers.

And dammit, I love the Pack!

Its OK, mission. Your feelings are perfectly legitimate. We've made a lot of progress today, its time we wind down now.

[mission]

This defense was destroyed against good offenses earlier in the year and likely will be again. They may make the playoffs but I don't think they're fit to win.

You mean like Dallas?

When we played Dallas their D was clicking better than their O imo. I believe Ware was on a hot streak for sacks.

Like Minne. Absolutely slaughtered. Not nearly as close as the scoreboard reflected due to garbage time.

Dallas?? DIDN'T COUNT....when are you people going to realize that anything positive this team does didn't count??

Nah, Dallas is a good team and we punched them in the mouth. Doesn't change the fact they've gotten punched in the mouth hard by Minne twice now.

No it doesn't.

But that has a whole lot more to do with Minnesota than it does 'OUR DEFENSE IS BARELY TOP 5" ... the Favre/Rodgers factor alone is huge. We have a kid. They have a HOFer.

I like our guy more... just, because... you know, I want something new.

Ask Adrian Peterson who punched who in the mouth. He didn't do shit against us either game.

The Brett Favre factor is just too much. I said it.

I still love Rodgers.

And dammit, I love the Pack!

Its OK, mission. Your feelings are perfectly legitimate. We've made a lot of progress today, its time we wind down now.

I've been drinking and my pregnant girlfriend thinks all the stories in the bible are 100% true (well, that's how it all started).

It's been a rough night.



(im gonna log off and play online poker soon to spare everyone)

[Partial]

This defense was destroyed against good offenses earlier in the year and likely will be again. They may make the playoffs but I don't think they're fit to win.

You mean like Dallas?

When we played Dallas their D was clicking better than their O imo. I believe Ware was on a hot streak for sacks.

Like Minne. Absolutely slaughtered. Not nearly as close as the scoreboard reflected due to garbage time.

Dallas?? DIDN'T COUNT....when are you people going to realize that anything positive this team does didn't count??

Nah, Dallas is a good team and we punched them in the mouth. Doesn't change the fact they've gotten punched in the mouth hard by Minne twice now.

No it doesn't.

But that has a whole lot more to do with Minnesota than it does 'OUR DEFENSE IS BARELY TOP 5" ... the Favre/Rodgers factor alone is huge. We have a kid. They have a HOFer.

I like our guy more... just, because... you know, I want something new.

Ask Adrian Peterson who punched who in the mouth. He didn't do shit against us either game.

The Brett Favre factor is just too much. I said it.

I still love Rodgers.

And dammit, I love the Pack!

Its OK, mission. Your feelings are perfectly legitimate. We've made a lot of progress today, its time we wind down now.

I've been drinking and my pregnant girlfriend thinks all the stories in the bible are 100% true (well, that's how it all started).

It's been a rough night.



(im gonna log off and play online poker soon to spare everyone)

no babies. It's our code thug.

congrats playa

[HarveyWallbangers]

When we played Dallas their D was clicking better than their O imo. I believe Ware was on a hot streak for sacks.

Like Minne. Absolutely slaughtered. Not nearly as close as the scoreboard reflected due to garbage time.

Point #1. Not exactly. Their offense came in hot'. We shut them down and they've struggled since. Three games before us:

W Atlanta 37-21
W Seattle 38-17
W Philadelphia 20-16 (in a game that Romo threw for over 300 yards on the road)

Point #2. Your opinion. Not mine. Minnesota looked like a better team, but it wasn't domination. I came away thinking we can beat them, if we are healthy (we didn't have Finley, Nelson, Clifton, Tausch in that last game) and we don't shoot ourselves in the foot.

[Smidgeon]

Re: The Packers have a shot!!

The Packers have a shot!!

a shot a the playoffs maybe...but a shot at making a lot of noise in the playoffs...not yet.

we might make a little noise...

if there are no more injuries,

if the penalties can be significantly reduced,

if the O can pile up first downs and get touchdowns rather than fieldgoals,

if the D can keep getting turnovers,

if the D is allowed to get some rest,

and most importantly...if mm can pull his head out of his ass (so it can be chopped off when we make our playoff exit).

I'd be happy with just one qualification: that GB scores more points than the opponent in each game. I don't care about the rest.

[Smidgeon]

This defense was destroyed against good offenses earlier in the year and likely will be again. They may make the playoffs but I don't think they're fit to win.

You mean like Dallas?

When we played Dallas their D was clicking better than their O imo. I believe Ware was on a hot streak for sacks.

Like Minne. Absolutely slaughtered. Not nearly as close as the scoreboard reflected due to garbage time.

Dallas?? DIDN'T COUNT....when are you people going to realize that anything positive this team does didn't count??

Nah, Dallas is a good team and we punched them in the mouth. Doesn't change the fact they've gotten punched in the mouth hard by Minne twice now.

I think GB got hit much harder the second game than they did the first. The first game--I thought--GB gave the game away more than Min took it away.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I think this goes to what JH is talking about.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20091201/PKR07/91201156/1058/PKR01/Vandermause--Special-teams-must-help

The defense is ranked No. 1 in the NFL, while the offense isn’t far behind at No. 6, and on the strength of those impressive numbers, the Packers are well positioned in the NFC playoff picture with a 7-4 record.

If not for the underachieving special teams, the Packers could be challenging the Minnesota Vikings for the division championship.

Shoddy special teams play was most responsible for the Packers’ loss at Tampa Bay, and contributed greatly to defeats against Cincinnati and the second Minnesota game. If the Packers had turned in merely respectable special teams performances, they could have won any of those games.

How much better would things look if the Packers were 8-3, 9-2, or even 10-1?

What-ifs don’t mean much, but consider how a few botched plays here or there could have elevated the Packers significantly in the standings:

♦ Tampa Bay blocked a punt for one touchdown, and then seized momentum in the fourth quarter on Clifton Smith’s 83-yard kickoff return to set up another touchdown. Take away those two inexcusable special teams lapses and the Packers would have won going away.

♦ Quan Cosby’s 60-yard first-half punt return led to a 6-yard Cincinnati touchdown drive, and his 32-yard second-half punt runback to the Packers’ 29 set up a field goal. Take away those 10 points and the Packers would have claimed a narrow victory over the Bengals.

♦ Percy Harvin returned a kickoff 77 yards to set up one Vikings touchdown at Lambeau Field, then added a 48-yard runback to set up another short touchdown drive. For good measure, a Packers holding penalty on a kickoff return led to bad field position, which forced a punt deep in their territory, which led to a 20-yard Minnesota return, which led to another short Vikings’ touchdown drive. No one can gift-wrap 21 easy points and expect to beat the Vikings.

[Partial]

When we played Dallas their D was clicking better than their O imo. I believe Ware was on a hot streak for sacks.

Like Minne. Absolutely slaughtered. Not nearly as close as the scoreboard reflected due to garbage time.

Point #1. Not exactly. Their offense came in hot'. We shut them down and they've struggled since. Three games before us:

W Atlanta 37-21
W Seattle 38-17
W Philadelphia 20-16 (in a game that Romo threw for over 300 yards on the road)

Point #2. Your opinion. Not mine. Minnesota looked like a better team, but it wasn't domination. I came away thinking we can beat them, if we are healthy (we didn't have Finley, Nelson, Clifton, Tausch in that last game) and we don't shoot ourselves in the foot.

Their O was playing very well too. I was saying they were one of the hottest teams in the league playing as well as anybody at the time of the game. Huge win..

The O was pretty hot the whole season, though point wise (though I do recall a few weeks back before the game when Miles Austin went off), and what I was alluding to was Ware stepping it up. Supposedly the D wasn't playing up to expectations the first few weeks and really started locking people down in the games leading up to the Packer game.

[MichiganPackerFan]

I've been drinking and my pregnant girlfriend thinks all the stories in the bible are 100% true (well, that's how it all started).

Religion is integrally tied to emotion rather than logic. Just have to let some of that go in order to keep peace.

[RashanGary]

This week is a HUGE week. About as huge as the last Minnesota game. If we can beat this tough Ravens team, we're really going to start building steam.

Then we just have to take 2 of the last 4 and we get a shot in the playoffs. All you need is a shot, like the Giants proved a couple years ago. Up until the very end nobody had them winning a game they played all the way down the stretch.

Health
ST's
Pentalties
Sticking with what is working on offense


These are my keys to making and then being a competitor in the playoffs. And who knows, one injury to some top teams and bam, different plyaing field.

[ThunderDan]

This week is a HUGE week. About as huge as the last Minnesota game. If we can beat this tough Ravens team, we're really going to start building steam.

Then we just have to take 2 of the last 4 and we get a shot in the playoffs. All you need is a shot, like the Giants proved a couple years ago. Up until the very end nobody had them winning a game they played all the way down the stretch.

Health
ST's
Pentalties
Sticking with what is working on offense


These are my keys to making and then being a competitor in the playoffs. And who knows, one injury to some top teams and bam, different plyaing field.

JH-

To me it all comes down to ST. Our offense is putting up yards and points. The D is not giving up yards and few points. The ST is losing us 100+ yards of field position a game. That has to stop. Too many short fields for the D to cover and too many long fields for the O to drive.

Extra: And stop the penalties!