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    Body Type.

    Dom Capers came in and while saying all the right things about fitting the scheme to the players and working to their strengths, he also mentioned in his opening press conference that they would have different body type ideals for a front seven than a traditional 4-3 would and that these requests would need to be passed along to the personnel department to use when evaluating defensive talent. Judging from Matthews, Raji, Jones and to a lesser extent Obiozor, they seemed to have meshed.

    McCarthy and Jeff JustHoldOnaMinuteIamInterviewingForAnotherShortTer mJobJagodzinski came in at year one and had to do something similar with running backs and O lineman. McCarthy had never run this rushing attack and Jags was never the O Coord of such an attack. Is it possible that they were not as successful in communicating their needs to the personnel side?

    Question 2, more important than the first, since Jags left after year 1 (before the offseason began in earnest) did any hope of quickly getting this correct leave with him?

    But perhaps the missing piece to the puzzle is Question 3: Did McCarthy's decision to move slowly away from the ZBS from year 2 on have an effect like changing a coordinator on the O line in terms of personnel acquiring talent that fit the body type needs of the new-to-them scheme?

    They spent two years drafting and collecting line talent for one system. It was a new system for them, new enough that there were probably some miscalculations for players with the new body type. Then they modify/switch schemes to be more power oriented and traditional. It takes time to acquire and develop the new correct body type talent. But it seems to have had the following effect:

    Lang and Sitton are both clearly succeeding where earlier picks struggled (Colledge, Spitz, Giacomini). Are they simply now, in year four and five, doing a better job of identifying the correct body type for the lineman they want? And is it possible that without Jags, these players and scheme fit better with their coaches than the earlier talent?
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  • #2
    Good post. You raise a valid question. Sitton and Lang definitely look like the real deal.

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    • #3
      Is Sitton now really looking better than Colledge in the last half of '08 or Spitz during '07 and '08? This is a sincere question, as I haven't watched enough of GB this year to have a sense of how the different parts of the OL are peforming. And relying on JSO in forming impressions is a trying experience.

      But another way of looking at things, it seems to me, is that the only consistent pattern the GB OL has shown under McCarthy is inconsistency. The coaches called Spitz their most reliable lineman last year, but this year he seemed to be struggling even before he got hurt. Colledge is notorious for being up and down from one game to another. Are we sure that the left hand has finally figured out what the right hand is doing with Sitton and Lang? Maybe next year those two will look like Colledge this year.

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      • #4
        Interesting theory and I think you might be on to something here.

        Sitton and Lang were different from the lineman we've been taking and early indications show they're probably better. Hopefully we stick with this "bigger is better" philosophy. I don't think we need 350 lb hogs, but 320 lbers that can move is a lot better than the 295ers.
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        • #5
          Hoosier, there is one HUGE difference in Lang and Sitton that I see that makes me believe they are better than College/Babre/Spitz et al. These guys are scrappers. When Lang gets beat he doesn't stand there with his thumb up his ass, he fights to reposition and scraps til the whistle. With the others when they miss, they stand and watch ARod make one move, then another, then get sacked. If Lang misses but ARod avoids the guy, you can damn well bet that Lang will be right back on top of his guy immediately.

          OL is a position of grit and determination and I am just not sure College has it...and Cliffy just doesn't have the mobility to recover when he gets beat any more. Wells, Sitton, and Lang are battlers that will make up the center/right part of the line for the next 10 years I think. College may or may not stay the LG, but we need a new LT....Loved cliffy, but he just can't do it anymore.
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          • #6
            God I hope Wells isn't around for 10 more years. I get tired of seeing him get blown up in the middle. Maybe you meant Spitz?
            Originally posted by 3irty1
            This is museum quality stupidity.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Zool
              God I hope Wells isn't around for 10 more years. I get tired of seeing him get blown up in the middle. Maybe you meant Spitz?
              I'm sorry, I just don't see this a lot. Wells is usually assignment sure. He's had a bad game or two, but I just don't think he's the turnstile you make him out to be.

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              • #8
                I would agree with the theory, PB, except that I think Hoosier makes a good point: Colledge seemed to improve and play really well at the end of last year, and now he's gone backward.

                Then again, maybe he's changed his body type - gained weight or something - and it's not working for him. I dunno.

                I hope you are right because that would mean the Pack has a better chance of drafting the next left tackle now. One that would actually work out.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Fritz

                  Then again, maybe he's (Colledge) changed his body type - gained weight or something - and it's not working for him. I dunno.
                  Waldo has argued that 10 extra pounds has made Colledge more sluggish. If true, lose those ten pounds. I've got some Glymetrol he can use.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by MichiganPackerFan
                    Originally posted by Zool
                    God I hope Wells isn't around for 10 more years. I get tired of seeing him get blown up in the middle. Maybe you meant Spitz?
                    I'm sorry, I just don't see this a lot. Wells is usually assignment sure. He's had a bad game or two, but I just don't think he's the turnstile you make him out to be.
                    yea, I virtually never see this. Last year when he was hurt he had a few bad games, but I watch the OL a lot and I don't think I screamed "Fucking Wells" once this year. Wish I could say that about anyone else (although I scream very rarely about Sitton).
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                    • #11
                      Bills have had numerous starting lineman hurt this year. Meredith started a few games then sprained his knee a few games back. I haven't heard/watched any since then but don't think he's starting anymore.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by mraynrand
                        Originally posted by Fritz

                        Then again, maybe he's (Colledge) changed his body type - gained weight or something - and it's not working for him. I dunno.
                        Waldo has argued that 10 extra pounds has made Colledge more sluggish. If true, lose those ten pounds. I've got some Glymetrol he can use.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by ThunderDan
                          Originally posted by mraynrand
                          Originally posted by Fritz

                          Then again, maybe he's (Colledge) changed his body type - gained weight or something - and it's not working for him. I dunno.
                          Waldo has argued that 10 extra pounds has made Colledge more sluggish. If true, lose those ten pounds. I've got some Glymetrol he can use.
                          I would suggest Starcaps!
                          Might as well use it while nobody's getting punished for it...
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Smidgeon
                            Originally posted by ThunderDan
                            Originally posted by mraynrand
                            Originally posted by Fritz

                            Then again, maybe he's (Colledge) changed his body type - gained weight or something - and it's not working for him. I dunno.
                            Waldo has argued that 10 extra pounds has made Colledge more sluggish. If true, lose those ten pounds. I've got some Glymetrol he can use.
                            I would suggest Starcaps!
                            Might as well use it while nobody's getting punished for it...
                            That is only for Vikings to get away with - apparently a state law trumps a sports rule.

                            Say, I wonder if WI can enact a law where it is illegal to call a holding penalty?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by cheesner
                              Originally posted by Smidgeon
                              Originally posted by ThunderDan
                              Originally posted by mraynrand
                              Originally posted by Fritz

                              Then again, maybe he's (Colledge) changed his body type - gained weight or something - and it's not working for him. I dunno.
                              Waldo has argued that 10 extra pounds has made Colledge more sluggish. If true, lose those ten pounds. I've got some Glymetrol he can use.
                              I would suggest Starcaps!
                              Might as well use it while nobody's getting punished for it...
                              That is only for Vikings to get away with - apparently a state law trumps a sports rule.

                              Say, I wonder if WI can enact a law where it is illegal to call a holding penalty?
                              The Saints players haven't been punished either. Not yet.
                              No longer the member of any fan clubs. I'm tired of jinxing players out of the league and into obscurity.

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