chillar signs extension

[CaliforniaCheez]

Some of you may be missing the larger picture.

1) The Packers (meaning GM Ted Thompson) are acting like there will be an uncapped year and that a new CBA is not going to happen before next season.

2) If there is no CBA players with less than 6 full seasons without contracts are restricted free agents. No player drafted by Ted Thompson has to be extended unless it is cheaper to do so (Aaron Rodgers).

3) As the NFL's youngest team, the Packers have an above average number of players with less than 6 full seasons. That reduces the cost of players. Starters like Sitton save money.

4) There is a plan and strategy at work. Don't worry.

[red]

Wow! Overpaid imo.
Hawk has warranted his roster bonus. Agreed Pickett and Collins should be signed to extensions.

thats what i'm thinking

5 million a year for a special teams guy. that seems nuts

and no, he is not better then hawk. AJ has elevated his game this year

i like the guy, but i don't like him more then barnett or hawk, and i'd say its a toss up between him and bishop

a lot of money for a backup

[Smidgeon]

5 million a year for a special teams guy. that seems nuts

a lot of money for a backup

Well, it would be a lot of money if he was just a backup and only saw the field as a special teamer. But neither are true. He sees the field a lot and is a "starter" in certain packages. He isn't a backup who only sees the field when a player above him gets injured. He's a cog on this defense just like Barnett, Hawk, Jolly, Pickett, etc. He has a skill set that is being specifically used and isn't just filling in when there's no one else to play.

[Waldo]

But of all the FAs, he is the one (Collins) I would prefer not to see get his nose out of joint.

Tramon for me. He is the 2nd hardest to find player type of all our FA's (cover corner that can catch), and plays a more premium position.

[Waldo]

a lot of money for a backup

The cap has gone up to the point where the average player on defense of the top 14 (considering #3 CB, #5 LB, and #4 DL plus the starters to be the top 14) should make about 4.2M/yr in 2010 cap dollars, stars make more, rookie contract guys less, role players about the average.

4.2M/yr in 2010 cap dollars is roughly equivalent to 3.4M/yr in 2006 cap dollars.

Either this deal has a big final year inflation or there are unreported (thus far) incentives. I bet when the smoke clears the deal will average between 4-4.5M/yr for the first 3 years of it.

[mission]

Like I said... 3.8 a year over the final three years

[RashanGary]

I'm a big Chillar fan. Good in pass pro, good at pass rush, good at ST's.

He's the ideal nickle linebacker and an ideal veteran special teams player that you can count on. Smidgeon said it well, he's not a backup. He's a guy that plays and plays well in a good portion of defensive snaps and on all ST's.

Similar to a nickle back, pass rush specialist or run stop specialist. He plays.

[bobblehead]

Wow! Overpaid imo.
Hawk has warranted his roster bonus. Agreed Pickett and Collins should be signed to extensions.

thats what i'm thinking

5 million a year for a special teams guy. that seems nuts

and no, he is not better then hawk. AJ has elevated his game this year

i like the guy, but i don't like him more then barnett or hawk, and i'd say its a toss up between him and bishop

a lot of money for a backup

Hawk has indeed upped his game....right after Chillar's injury allowed him a second chance. Chillar plays just as many snaps as hawk. He also plays ST (not a bragging right on this team). Right now, in my view he and hawk are equals. Barnett is clearly better than both.

finally if you think Chillar is the same as Bishop you are flat out nuts.

[hoosier]

True about Collins. Without a CBA agreement and extension, he will not have the leverage of an UFA. And I actually doubt T2 will do something until it needs to get done. But of all the FAs, he is the one I would prefer not to see get his nose out of joint. He is performing as he should. If we were going to overpay, this is the guy. Not by Woodson standards, but like Harris and Driver, I would pay a hometown bonus for him.

Speaking of Woodson, I think you could almost--ALMOST--argue that he is in fact underpaid now. At the very least, and against all expectations, he turned out to be worth every last dime the Packers are paying him.

I hope the Packers don't overpay Collins for the same reason that I hope TT doesn't decide to play real hardball with him. My gut tells me that approach would backfire with NC, and for the same reason I am not sure that he is yet mature enough to be counted on not to let a big payday go to his head. If they have to overpay him, make it incentive based or make it easy to cut him if need be.

[Smidgeon]

True about Collins. Without a CBA agreement and extension, he will not have the leverage of an UFA. And I actually doubt T2 will do something until it needs to get done. But of all the FAs, he is the one I would prefer not to see get his nose out of joint. He is performing as he should. If we were going to overpay, this is the guy. Not by Woodson standards, but like Harris and Driver, I would pay a hometown bonus for him.

Speaking of Woodson, I think you could almost--ALMOST--argue that he is in fact underpaid now. At the very least, and against all expectations, he turned out to be worth every last dime the Packers are paying him.

I hope the Packers don't overpay Collins for the same reason that I hope TT doesn't decide to play real hardball with him. My gut tells me that approach would backfire with NC, and for the same reason I am not sure that he is yet mature enough to be counted on not to let a big payday go to his head. If they have to overpay him, make it incentive based or make it easy to cut him if need be.

Collins isn't the type that strikes me as letting money affect his play. He's been playing so well, doesn't take plays off, and has too much talent for him to backslide. He strikes me as someone who doesn't make excuses (**cough**Corey"I'm-getting-double-teamed-and-am-not-in-the-right-scheme"Williams**cough**) and has too much pride to let money affect his play. I think he really has a burning desire to be the best at what he does. I think the only thing with him is that he might not care which team he's the best for. I think he'd prefer to remain with the Packers, but if another team will pay him, he'll go there, but his priority is to be the best safety there is.

It's all speculation, but he strikes me as someone whose play is motivated by something other than compensation.

[Guiness]

I'm not clear on Collin's contract situation? I know it depends on CBA/no-CBA next year. This is his 5th year in the league, 2010 will be his sixth.

Here's my understanding, can someone correct me if I'm wrong?

If there is no CBA, he is an RFA or an exclusive rights FA? Either way, we can match any offer he gets.
If there is a CBA, he is an FA, but what kind of FA? Is he a full blown UFA?

[SkinBasket]

if we keep playing some 1-6 and 2-5 fronts, there's going to be a need for all our guys. Except Poppinga.

[Lurker64]

I'm not a huge fan of Chillar, but he's good enough in coverage and at blitzing to see the field in a bunch of specialty packages (take out one DL, put in Chillar and you're basically playing a big nickel). Still seems like a lot for a guy who wouldn't play much in base.

[Smidgeon]

I'm not a huge fan of Chillar, but he's good enough in coverage and at blitzing to see the field in a bunch of specialty packages (take out one DL, put in Chillar and you're basically playing a big nickel). Still seems like a lot for a guy who wouldn't play much in base.

GB doesn't play the majority of their snaps in base. At least, that was the last I heard.

[get louder at lambeau]

I'm not clear on Collin's contract situation? I know it depends on CBA/no-CBA next year. This is his 5th year in the league, 2010 will be his sixth.

Here's my understanding, can someone correct me if I'm wrong?

If there is no CBA, he is an RFA or an exclusive rights FA? Either way, we can match any offer he gets.
If there is a CBA, he is an FA, but what kind of FA? Is he a full blown UFA?

If there is no new CBA, he's a URFA. If there is one, he's a RFA.