Ref's screwing us less

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OK, after last week no touchdown, which sucked. I can't understand how 4 steps down with the ball isn't a catch and how Big Ben's fumble wasn't a fumble.

I guess I am going to have to read the NFL rules again this week to understand why I have no fucking clue what any call might or might not be.

the first thing i thought of when i saw that play happen was "tuck rule" i knew it was gonna go against us somehow

IMO that was a horrendous call

i mean, that call was reversed, he had to have absolute proof that the call on the fiels was wrong. for the life of me i don't see how he can make that call

nfl needs to start doing something to penalize these refs when they clearly screw up a call like this one

[pbmax]

OK, after last week no touchdown, which sucked. I can't understand how 4 steps down with the ball isn't a catch and how Big Ben's fumble wasn't a fumble.

I guess I am going to have to read the NFL rules again this week to understand why I have no fucking clue what any call might or might not be.

the first thing i thought of when i saw that play happen was "tuck rule" i knew it was gonna go against us somehow

IMO that was a horrendous call

i mean, that call was reversed, he had to have absolute proof that the call on the fiels was wrong. for the life of me i don't see how he can make that call

nfl needs to start doing something to penalize these refs when they clearly screw up a call like this one

That was one of those cases where his arm WAS moving forward but the ball was not. When you throw, there is a whip-like delay and this rule doesn't envision it. So refs can go either way. Odd that they reversed it as they usually use the ambiguity to confirm the call. But his arm was moving. Matthews got the ball out before it moved I think.

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OK, after last week no touchdown, which sucked. I can't understand how 4 steps down with the ball isn't a catch and how Big Ben's fumble wasn't a fumble.

I guess I am going to have to read the NFL rules again this week to understand why I have no fucking clue what any call might or might not be.

the first thing i thought of when i saw that play happen was "tuck rule" i knew it was gonna go against us somehow

IMO that was a horrendous call

i mean, that call was reversed, he had to have absolute proof that the call on the fiels was wrong. for the life of me i don't see how he can make that call

nfl needs to start doing something to penalize these refs when they clearly screw up a call like this one

That was one of those cases where his arm WAS moving forward but the ball was not. When you throw, there is a whip-like delay and this rule doesn't envision it. So refs can go either way. Odd that they reversed it as they usually use the ambiguity to confirm the call. But his arm was moving. Matthews got the ball out before it moved I think.

i saw the exact same thing pb. it was the elbow that looked like it was going forward, while the ball might still have been going backwards

it was absolutely the whip motion that screwed us on that one. IMO it should be the ball moving forward, not the arm, because it is possible for the elbow to be going forward while the ball is still being cocked

[mraynrand]

Ben: Empty hand - a fumble every time - except yesterday.

Pittsburgh O-lineman on the last play: no empty hand - full of Jolly Jersey - holding every time except yesterday in Pittsburgh.

Packers got a massive referee pole jammed up their arses yesterday.

[MichiganPackerFan]

I always feel a bit guilty when I blame the refs for a slough of bad calls because it feels like an excuse. But between the first Min game and this one, there have been some really one-sided calls that affected the outcome of the game. I am still f-ing pissed.

[mngolf19]

Guys after watching this game, there were alot of bad/non calls both ways in my opinion. And it's not the reason you lost. Gotta stop with the "refs are screwing us" and just realize that all teams have to deal with it along with the Pack's tendency to get penalized anyway. I've seen few games this year where there was a cleanly reffed game all the way through. Gotta overcome it.

[MichiganPackerFan]

Guys after watching this game, there were alot of bad/non calls both ways in my opinion. And it's not the reason you lost. Gotta stop with the "refs are screwing us" and just realize that all teams have to deal with it along with the Pack's tendency to get penalized anyway. I've seen few games this year where there was a cleanly reffed game all the way through. Gotta overcome it.

Oh you're certainly right there. 10 less drops, better pass defense and a competent kicker would have beaten the PIT+refs team. There were bad and no calls each way, but the timing of each and magnitude was not the same. Did you see Rodgers get drilled with helmet to helmet? No one put an illegal shot like that on Roethlisberger

[ND72]

I'm going to jump on the refs screwing us bandwagon yet again after finding out that Mike Wallace ran into the front pylon when he ran his route...which makes him out of bounds, which means he cannot be the first person to touch the ball once it leaves the QB's hand. (NFL Network)

[Bossman641]

I'm going to jump on the refs screwing us bandwagon yet again after finding out that Mike Wallace ran into the front pylon when he ran his route...which makes him out of bounds, which means he cannot be the first person to touch the ball once it leaves the QB's hand. (NFL Network)

Are you sure? I need to watch the play again, but I was looking pretty closely to see whether he had stepped out of bounds and didn't see anything.

[ND72]

I'm going to jump on the refs screwing us bandwagon yet again after finding out that Mike Wallace ran into the front pylon when he ran his route...which makes him out of bounds, which means he cannot be the first person to touch the ball once it leaves the QB's hand. (NFL Network)

Are you sure? I need to watch the play again, but I was looking pretty closely to see whether he had stepped out of bounds and didn't see anything.

I didnt' see it either, but as I was getting ready for school this morning I heard the NFL Network guys going off about the last score of the Packer Steeler game, and how the refs blew 2 calls against us.

[mraynrand]

Guys after watching this game, there were alot of bad/non calls both ways in my opinion. And it's not the reason you lost. Gotta stop with the "refs are screwing us" and just realize that all teams have to deal with it along with the Pack's tendency to get penalized anyway. I've seen few games this year where there was a cleanly reffed game all the way through. Gotta overcome it.

You are wrong on multiple fronts. A blown call is a reason we lost the game. Jolly was held on the final play. Had it been called properly, the Packers win. This is unquestionably true. There are other things the Packers could have done to win the game without having to rely on the officials properly calling the game, but they would have won had the officials called the last play correctly. It is indisputably true.

Next, we do not have to overcome it. We are fans and, being fans, are entitled to remain bitter and unconsolable for the remainder of our lives. I plan to remain this way about this game. Due to anger mismanagement and atherosclerosis, my remaining life should be blissfully short.

[ThunderDan]

Guys after watching this game, there were alot of bad/non calls both ways in my opinion. And it's not the reason you lost. Gotta stop with the "refs are screwing us" and just realize that all teams have to deal with it along with the Pack's tendency to get penalized anyway. I've seen few games this year where there was a cleanly reffed game all the way through. Gotta overcome it.

Weren't you the Viking fan screaming a few weeks ago that you were 1 leg-whip ref screw job away from a perfect season so far?

[mngolf19]

Guys after watching this game, there were alot of bad/non calls both ways in my opinion. And it's not the reason you lost. Gotta stop with the "refs are screwing us" and just realize that all teams have to deal with it along with the Pack's tendency to get penalized anyway. I've seen few games this year where there was a cleanly reffed game all the way through. Gotta overcome it.

Oh you're certainly right there. 10 less drops, better pass defense and a competent kicker would have beaten the PIT+refs team. There were bad and no calls each way, but the timing of each and magnitude was not the same. Did you see Rodgers get drilled with helmet to helmet? No one put an illegal shot like that on Roethlisberger

The helmet to helmet is hard to say. In the last slo mo they showed the initial contact into AR's chest and then slide up into his chin. Now the question would be, is that helmet to helmet based on the rule? I don't know but could see it considered either way.

[ThunderDan]

Guys after watching this game, there were alot of bad/non calls both ways in my opinion. And it's not the reason you lost. Gotta stop with the "refs are screwing us" and just realize that all teams have to deal with it along with the Pack's tendency to get penalized anyway. I've seen few games this year where there was a cleanly reffed game all the way through. Gotta overcome it.

Oh you're certainly right there. 10 less drops, better pass defense and a competent kicker would have beaten the PIT+refs team. There were bad and no calls each way, but the timing of each and magnitude was not the same. Did you see Rodgers get drilled with helmet to helmet? No one put an illegal shot like that on Roethlisberger

The helmet to helmet is hard to say. In the last slo mo they showed the initial contact into AR's chest and then slide up into his chin. Now the question would be, is that helmet to helmet based on the rule? I don't know but could see it considered either way.

Leading with your helmet no matter where you hit is 15 yards!!

[mngolf19]

Guys after watching this game, there were alot of bad/non calls both ways in my opinion. And it's not the reason you lost. Gotta stop with the "refs are screwing us" and just realize that all teams have to deal with it along with the Pack's tendency to get penalized anyway. I've seen few games this year where there was a cleanly reffed game all the way through. Gotta overcome it.

Weren't you the Viking fan screaming a few weeks ago that you were 1 leg-whip ref screw job away from a perfect season so far?

Screaming no. I mentioned that Dungy thought it was a bad call. And therefore an "objective" source thought that might have cost the Vikes. And that was in the context of saying that refs make bad/non calls for all teams, not just the Pack. I still say the Vikes needed to overcome that.