ESPN 1st Mock draft

[Brando19]

Why isn't Tim Tebow in the first round here?

[Bretsky]

Why isn't Tim Tebow in the first round here?

projected to be round 2 by most...maybe lower

[Lurker64]

Why isn't Tim Tebow in the first round here?

Because he's not a first round prospect. He's a player in search of a position since, as a quarterback, all of his mechanics are a mess. He's either going to be a long term project at QB or play TE or H-Back or something, either way he's not a first round prospect.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Mays has no ball skills and has been out of position much this year. Think of Sharper with no INTs and a little bit harder of a hitter. He's one of those shoulder tacklers who tests through the roof (super strong and fast).

He's another guy, along with Bradford, who dropped considerably in the draft by sticking around another year.

Aside from the playmaking side of things, he could probably be coached up a good amount but he just doesn't have that much of a knack for the ball.

i seen it mentioned a few times that he might make the urlacher move from safety to LB in the pros

another Thomas Davis ??

Brings back memories that created the Curse of Bretsky; remember how much I loved the Georgia Bulldog Bash Brothers ?

Odell Thurman, Thomas Davis, and David Pollack sp?

Davis turned out alright but the other two were junk.

Actually, Odell Thurman was the closest player to Wayne Simmons I've seen. But Odell was destructive from the get go. He never tamed down and as a result didn't last long in the NFL.

It seemed like Wayne Simmons needed Fritz Shurmur; he was not the same after he left

Pollack was hardly junk. Considering that he started only 5 games and still registered 4.5 sacks, pollack was on his way to being a solid player.

Unfair to label a player who had his career ended by a spine injury junk.

Would you call Terrence Murphy junk?

[red]

Why isn't Tim Tebow in the first round here?

because most people think he'll be a massive flop as a nfl QB. he runs the option, not exactly a pro set

the only reason anyone has him going in the first at all is because they think jacksonville will jump on him in an attempt to save their franchise

[bobblehead]

I hate to break up the Taylor Mays love, but have any of you guys seen him tackle? He does it with his elbows. He's got a long way to go before he can play LB, and honestly the tape on him isn't that good. Last year he was a top 10 prospect because he has a unique blend of size and speed, and people were surprised when he went back to school. In the meantime, he's been exposed as a player who is frequently out of position and often takes bad angles. He makes up for a lot of mistakes in college by being one of the fastest guys on the field, but he'd be a project in the NFL for anything other than "S who plays Center Field".

I know I'm not one of the most paid-attention-to posters here, but yeah... the Taylor Mays love was broke up a few posts ago.

Your regurgitation of my post was worded better tho.

who are you??? how did you get so many posts in and I never noticed you?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Why isn't Tim Tebow in the first round here?

because most people think he'll be a massive flop as a nfl QB. he runs the option, not exactly a pro set

the only reason anyone has him going in the first at all is because they think jacksonville will jump on him in an attempt to save their franchise

Tebow doesn't run the option. He runs the spread.

[Guiness]

Pollack was hardly junk. Considering that he started only 5 games and still registered 4.5 sacks, pollack was on his way to being a solid player.

Unfair to label a player who had his career ended by a spine injury junk.

Would you call Terrence Murphy junk?

I was thinking the same thing - Pollack was looking like a pretty damn good rookie starter when shit went bad for him.

Odell's playing was never his problem...

Back on topic; Berry at #2? When was the last a safety was taken there? Last time a safety was even taken in the top 5 was Sean Taylor. After that you can go back a decade to find another one.

[rbaloha1]

- Johnathon Dwyer in the first round scares the hell out of me. Yeah, he's got a great mix of speed and power, but playing in the triple option in college means that he really never had to make his own reads; his QB made his reads for him on most plays. I'd be glad if this isn't our problem.

LT played in an option offense. So did Roger Craig, Ahman Green, etc. A good rb is a good rb regardless of system. Dwyer will do well in the NFL. A better Ray Rice.

[rbaloha1]

I hate to break up the Taylor Mays love, but have any of you guys seen him tackle? He does it with his elbows. He's got a long way to go before he can play LB, and honestly the tape on him isn't that good. Last year he was a top 10 prospect because he has a unique blend of size and speed, and people were surprised when he went back to school. In the meantime, he's been exposed as a player who is frequently out of position and often takes bad angles. He makes up for a lot of mistakes in college by being one of the fastest guys on the field, but he'd be a project in the NFL for anything other than "S who plays Center Field".

Mays played hurt this season. Yes, he played poorly. Should have declared for the draft last season.

The real TM is soph and junior seasons. IMO still warrants a top 10 pick if fully recovered.