11th commandment, Never, Ever, rush 3

[Bossman641]

I'm just not a fan of rushing three, especially when your team's strength is in down linemen and linebackers.

Anybody know why Poopinga was on the field on that last drive?

I'm guessing Matthews was gassed. It looked like he wasn't rushing on the final 3-4 snaps.

Matthews was in the game. He was playing coverage on most plays.

Why? Why take one of the best pass-rushing threats and play him in coverage?

[MOBB DEEP]

JARRETT BUSH, don't let that worthless asshole anywhere near the field

lol...crazy

[pbmax]

Capers will puke this kind of stuff up now and again...

His nature is to be conservative... there never a rationale, and never justification to rush 3.

All you're doing in that situation is giving receivers time to come uncovered, and giving the QB time to find them...

It's stupid.

Of course there is, to entice a short throw in front of the first down markers. There is less of a reason to do it near your own endzone because the throw is going deep regardless. Same might be said for certain 4th down situations.

[pbmax]

Penalties on the final drive hurt more than just rushing three.

Bingo.

[pbmax]

Prevent D generally prevents a W

That wasn't a prevent until they were inside the 25 yard line. Then they sent Woodson deep rather than play coverage. That was your prevent defense.

[jklowan]

phuck Bush and Crosby, this loss hurts and we should have won this game...

who ever was responsible for putting bush in after getting burnt twice should be packing there bags, I'm looking at you McCarthy!!!!!

[pbmax]

phuck Bush and Crosby, this loss hurts and we should have won this game...

who ever was responsible for putting bush in after getting burnt twice should be packing there bags, I'm looking at you McCarthy!!!!!

How many CBs are on this team? Who are the 4 CBs that should be on the field ahead of him?

[Brohm]

Bad year for us with CB injuries. Harris, Lee and Blackmon. Thats a starter and 2 players before Bush even sees the field. Hard to replace that kind of experience/depth. Nevermind, bottom-lilne, Crosby does his job we're not having this conversation.

[red]

phuck Bush and Crosby, this loss hurts and we should have won this game...

who ever was responsible for putting bush in after getting burnt twice should be packing there bags, I'm looking at you McCarthy!!!!!

How many CBs are on this team? Who are the 4 CBs that should be on the field ahead of him?

bring in anyone that might have a chance at breaking up a pass or covering a guy

we've watched the same thing from bush for 4 seasons. by now we have to know he can't do anything

get anyone with even just a sliver of hope. that would be an improvement

[pbmax]

phuck Bush and Crosby, this loss hurts and we should have won this game...

who ever was responsible for putting bush in after getting burnt twice should be packing there bags, I'm looking at you McCarthy!!!!!

How many CBs are on this team? Who are the 4 CBs that should be on the field ahead of him?

bring in anyone that might have a chance at breaking up a pass or covering a guy

we've watched the same thing from bush for 4 seasons. by now we have to know he can't do anything

get anyone with even just a sliver of hope. that would be an improvement

There is a reason the Chris McCallister's are on the street.

[Packers4Ever]

In that situation, the clock should not be a consideration...

It is about getting a stop on 4 successive downs... and the best way to do that is generate pressure. On the few snaps that we did get pressure, we almost put the game away.

By going "prevent"... all you do is allow the opposition to put themselves in a position to take shots into the endzone... dink and dunk their way down to the 15-20 yard line, still 20 seconds or so left... plenty of time to take shots into the endzone.

Rushing 3 is just as idiotic today, as it was 20 years... painful to watch too.

Makes one wonder - if it was so idiotic 20 years ago, why use it today ?

[wist43]

In that situation, the clock should not be a consideration...

It is about getting a stop on 4 successive downs... and the best way to do that is generate pressure. On the few snaps that we did get pressure, we almost put the game away.

By going "prevent"... all you do is allow the opposition to put themselves in a position to take shots into the endzone... dink and dunk their way down to the 15-20 yard line, still 20 seconds or so left... plenty of time to take shots into the endzone.

Rushing 3 is just as idiotic today, as it was 20 years... painful to watch too.

Makes one wonder - if it was so idiotic 20 years ago, why use it today ?

I know... amazing, isn't it

For how many years, have how many announcers been apoplectic about it???

The oldage is an adage for a reason - "the only thing the prevent defense does, is prevent you from winning".

Happens over and over and over... Capers is old school though, so I guess that why it makes sense to him.

NEVER, EVER, RUSH 3 - EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[wist43]

Capers will puke this kind of stuff up now and again...

His nature is to be conservative... there never a rationale, and never justification to rush 3.

All you're doing in that situation is giving receivers time to come uncovered, and giving the QB time to find them...

It's stupid.

Of course there is, to entice a short throw in front of the first down markers. There is less of a reason to do it near your own endzone because the throw is going deep regardless. Same might be said for certain 4th down situations.

Sorry PB, but I disagree with every word, every syllable, and every letter of what you wrote there

The name of the game is pressure... if you want to FORCE (as opposed to "entice") a short throw... then put enough pressure on the QB that he has to get rid of the ball.

If he is forced to get rid of the ball either short, or trying to force it into a seam, the defenses percentages go way up.

If you leave a guy to sit back there and write a dissertation, it's only a matter of time before coverage breaks down. It is inevitable that a receiver will come free, a seam will pop open, a DB will drop coverage... given enough time, Shirley Temple could drive a team down the field.

Rushing 3 is just far too passive of an approach... as I said, forget the clock, what you need is a turnover, or 4 successive stops. Playing prevent you're taking the aggression away from your players, and simply hoping the other team screws up... that's no way to play defense.

It is all about pressure, and FORCING them into mistakes

[Noodle]

When I saw Matthews go in to coverage on the last drive, I figured it was because he's the most athletic of the bunch and would have the best chance of staying with a receiver.

And can we place the Psycho package in the same trash heap as the U71? Seemed like every time we ran that package, the Steelers through to the TE for a nice gain. Enough Psycho!

[pbmax]

Capers will puke this kind of stuff up now and again...

His nature is to be conservative... there never a rationale, and never justification to rush 3.

All you're doing in that situation is giving receivers time to come uncovered, and giving the QB time to find them...

It's stupid.

Of course there is, to entice a short throw in front of the first down markers. There is less of a reason to do it near your own endzone because the throw is going deep regardless. Same might be said for certain 4th down situations.

Sorry PB, but I disagree with every word, every syllable, and every letter of what you wrote there

The name of the game is pressure... if you want to FORCE (as opposed to "entice") a short throw... then put enough pressure on the QB that he has to get rid of the ball.

If he is forced to get rid of the ball either short, or trying to force it into a seam, the defenses percentages go way up.

If you leave a guy to sit back there and write a dissertation, it's only a matter of time before coverage breaks down. It is inevitable that a receiver will come free, a seam will pop open, a DB will drop coverage... given enough time, Shirley Temple could drive a team down the field.

Rushing 3 is just far too passive of an approach... as I said, forget the clock, what you need is a turnover, or 4 successive stops. Playing prevent you're taking the aggression away from your players, and simply hoping the other team screws up... that's no way to play defense.

It is all about pressure, and FORCING them into mistakes

Of course the odds go up for the D, but so do the odds of someone being uncovered as a result of the pressure. On the whole, you probably drive the completion percentage lower and the average yards per completion higher. At the end of the game where the clock is with you, that is a problem. Bring pressure and they only need to complete 1 out of every 4 throws for a first down. And the incompletions help them have more attempts.

I do agree that this doesn't apply to the Red Zone. And pressure to change the pace and shake someone free on an overload would be fine.