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  • #76
    Originally posted by Willard
    Originally posted by Packers4Ever
    Originally posted by Fritz
    I thought it was the latter - he was trying to protect Favre.

    Agree - Chilly would be a fool to have pulled BF, only 1 pt. behind,

    Who would have replaced him? Hmmm?
    I imagine the #2 QB would have replaced him if that is what the coach wanted. You see, it is the coach's decision. The coach gets to make foolish decisions if he wants. he is in charge. As I said before, I dont take issue with Favre being upset at the prospect of being pulled. He is a competitor, and he clearly feels he gives the team the best shot to win. That is part of his strength. My problem is he doesnt acjknowledge it is the coach's right to bench whoever the coach feels he needs to bench. Favre has serious boundary issues. He thought he should get to play the role of GM in GB, and now he doesnt think he needs to listen to the coach in Minnesota. His comments during the presser may have been "candid", but they undermined his coach, and created a distraction for his team. That is selfish. And I for one am delighted!
    +1

    You are right, BF has boundary issues and it played a part in why TT and MM weren't all that eager to welcome him back after his second unretirement that imfamous summer. With any luck this will create problems in that lockerroom and on that frigid turf at Soldier Field!

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    • #77
      Quote from my co-worker today: "You can have Favre back"
      "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Patler
        It seems maybe that Favre is more aggressive in the plays he changes to than coaches are comfortable with.
        Keen observation. Interstingly, on Grant's TD, AR changed the play at the line from a pass to a run, which on paper is not the aggressive move.

        Also, before this year, Favre's aggressiveness was not uncommonly spelled INT (as well as WIN). Favre has in some respects earned a little more latitude in his decisionmaking this year due to the care he has taken with the ball. That is not something I would have said about him in the past.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers
          Quote from my co-worked today: "You can have Favre back"

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Patler
            Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers
            Quote from my co-worked today: "You can have Favre back"
            As a fellow Twin Cities resident, there is only one word to describe my emotions today....Schadenfreude.
            After lunch the players lounged about the hotel patio watching the surf fling white plumes high against the darkening sky. Clouds were piling up in the west… Vince Lombardi frowned.

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            • #81
              Originally posted by HowardRoark
              Originally posted by Patler
              Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers
              Quote from my co-worked today: "You can have Favre back"
              As a fellow Twin Cities resident, there is only one word to describe my emotions today....Schadenfreude.
              Showing your sinister side?

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              • #82
                Favre remains an assclown. Why any surprise?
                Who Knows? The Shadow knows!

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                • #83
                  I have always liked Jason's writing:

                  Updated Dec 22, 2009 7:36 PM EDT

                  Dear Brett Favre,

                  Hey, it's me, Jason, the leader of your MVP campaign.

                  Yeah, you pretty much handed that trophy to Peyton Manning last weekend. I'm not even talking about your so-so performance on the field and losing to the Panthers. I could've worked around that.

                  You blew it when you backed that bus over Chilly in your post-game news conference. Damn it, Brett, you gave your critics all the ammo they need to start calling you "Brat" or "Britney" or "Flava Favre" or "The White T.O."

                  Those last two nicknames are actually my creation. That's how hard it is being the president of your fan club. Some weeks I want to ride for you and put clown suits on Ted Thompson, Mike McCarthy and anyone who refuses to give you your proper respect and other weeks I'm ashamed of myself for jumping in the same foxhole with John Madden.

                  Brett, why can't you be more like Tiger Woods?

                  Tiger keeps it 100, Brett. Tiger keeps his mouth shut. He refuses to cooperate with the media. I'll ride or lie for Tiger 24/7/365.

                  You, on the other hand, fell into the media's trap. You think the more you talk the more we'll love you.

                  You've turned your career into "The Real World" and you spend all your free time in a confessional booth talking about everything from addiction to painkillers to sideline dustups with Chilly over playing time.

                  Rick Reilly must love you. Every time the going gets tough, you're on the phone with Oprah's producers hoping to book a seat on The Couch.

                  The truly great ones, Brett, remain a mystery. You don't see Tom Brady and Peyton Manning spilling their hearts to every reporter with an empty notebook. Jordan didn't do it. Neither did Gretzky. Hell, even a camera hound like Magic Johnson stayed relatively low key until he had to distance himself from those mid-court kisses with Isiah Thomas after contracting the HIV virus.

                  OK, I'll give you Muhammad Ali. But Ali needed the media to beat the draft and sell tickets to fights. Plus, Ali was king in a very different era. There was no 24-hour news cycle. TV networks didn't give assclowns like Nancy Grace and Skip Bayless their own shows.

                  Nope. It's clear. You've done irreparable damage to your legacy by running your mouth to the media. It doesn't matter that you're right and Chilly is an idiot. It doesn't matter that he wanted to bench you after you threw a touchdown pass to go up two scores at Green Bay. No one will care that Childress thought about pulling you from the Detroit game. And your critics will overlook that Chilly's hyper-conservative, no-audible offense allowed Carolina to hang around for three quarters and steal Sunday night's game in the fourth.

                  You're the bad guy. You refuse to bow to the insecure, counter-productive wishes of your overmatched coach. Those of us in the media tend to be hypocritical. Woodward and Bernstein proved to us long ago that all great journalism is done over the objection of editors. The same thing pretty much applies to quarterback play. We don't comprehend that. We think Charlie Weis made Brady great when the reality is just the opposite.

                  Brett, I've seen this all before.

                  Joe Montana went through the exact same issue during his final season in Kansas City. Marty Schottenheimer and his offensive coordinator Paul Hackett devised a similar Montana protection strategy in 1994.

                  The Chiefs had great defensive personnel led by Derrick Thomas and Neil Smith. The Chiefs also had a physical offensive line, a Hall of Fame running back (Marcus Allen) and two other solid backs (Greg Hill and Kimble Anders).

                  Well, Marty got it into his head that he could back the Chiefs into the playoffs and loose the real Joe Montana in January. Montana was furious. He bitched (privately) the entire second half of the season about a passing game that left seven blockers to protect and three receivers in the secondary.

                  Montana, like you, was a warrior. He didn't want to die on his knees. He knew the Chiefs would struggle on the road in the playoffs. Sure enough, with the Chiefs' restricted offense averaging 17 points over a five-game stretch, Kansas City lost four of five games, fell to 7-7 and had to win its final two games to sneak into the postseason.

                  The Chiefs traveled to Miami for a wild-card playoff game and lost 27-17 to the Dolphins. Montana retired weeks later. Marty Schottenheimer left the coaching profession in 2006 having not won a playoff game since the 1993 season, the last season Montana was allowed to be Joe Montana.

                  Brett, you should've let Childress pull you from the game and then left him to explain the irrational decision. The Vikings had a chance to catch the Saints for the NFC No. 1 seed. Now the Eagles are nipping at the Vikes for the No. 2 seed. This whole season could turn into a disaster just because Chilly doesn't want a veteran quarterback to call a few audibles.

                  Had you said nothing, Brett, and created the appearance you were taking the high road, it would be open season on Chilly. Me, John Madden, Tony Kornheiser and few others could ride on this fool.

                  Now no one will hear us because you had to open your mouth.

                  Sincerely,

                  Jason Whitlock

                  You can e-mail Jason at BallState0@aol.com or follow him on Facebook or Twitter.
                  After lunch the players lounged about the hotel patio watching the surf fling white plumes high against the darkening sky. Clouds were piling up in the west… Vince Lombardi frowned.

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by HowardRoark
                    I have always liked Jason's writing:

                    Updated Dec 22, 2009 7:36 PM EDT

                    Dear Brett Favre,

                    Hey, it's me, Jason, the leader of your MVP campaign.

                    Yeah, you pretty much handed that trophy to Peyton Manning last weekend. I'm not even talking about your so-so performance on the field and losing to the Panthers. I could've worked around that.

                    You blew it when you backed that bus over Chilly in your post-game news conference. Damn it, Brett, you gave your critics all the ammo they need to start calling you "Brat" or "Britney" or "Flava Favre" or "The White T.O."

                    Those last two nicknames are actually my creation. That's how hard it is being the president of your fan club. Some weeks I want to ride for you and put clown suits on Ted Thompson, Mike McCarthy and anyone who refuses to give you your proper respect and other weeks I'm ashamed of myself for jumping in the same foxhole with John Madden.

                    Brett, why can't you be more like Tiger Woods?

                    Tiger keeps it 100, Brett. Tiger keeps his mouth shut. He refuses to cooperate with the media. I'll ride or lie for Tiger 24/7/365.

                    You, on the other hand, fell into the media's trap. You think the more you talk the more we'll love you.

                    You've turned your career into "The Real World" and you spend all your free time in a confessional booth talking about everything from addiction to painkillers to sideline dustups with Chilly over playing time.

                    Rick Reilly must love you. Every time the going gets tough, you're on the phone with Oprah's producers hoping to book a seat on The Couch.

                    The truly great ones, Brett, remain a mystery. You don't see Tom Brady and Peyton Manning spilling their hearts to every reporter with an empty notebook. Jordan didn't do it. Neither did Gretzky. Hell, even a camera hound like Magic Johnson stayed relatively low key until he had to distance himself from those mid-court kisses with Isiah Thomas after contracting the HIV virus.

                    OK, I'll give you Muhammad Ali. But Ali needed the media to beat the draft and sell tickets to fights. Plus, Ali was king in a very different era. There was no 24-hour news cycle. TV networks didn't give assclowns like Nancy Grace and Skip Bayless their own shows.

                    Nope. It's clear. You've done irreparable damage to your legacy by running your mouth to the media. It doesn't matter that you're right and Chilly is an idiot. It doesn't matter that he wanted to bench you after you threw a touchdown pass to go up two scores at Green Bay. No one will care that Childress thought about pulling you from the Detroit game. And your critics will overlook that Chilly's hyper-conservative, no-audible offense allowed Carolina to hang around for three quarters and steal Sunday night's game in the fourth.

                    You're the bad guy. You refuse to bow to the insecure, counter-productive wishes of your overmatched coach. Those of us in the media tend to be hypocritical. Woodward and Bernstein proved to us long ago that all great journalism is done over the objection of editors. The same thing pretty much applies to quarterback play. We don't comprehend that. We think Charlie Weis made Brady great when the reality is just the opposite.

                    Brett, I've seen this all before.

                    Joe Montana went through the exact same issue during his final season in Kansas City. Marty Schottenheimer and his offensive coordinator Paul Hackett devised a similar Montana protection strategy in 1994.

                    The Chiefs had great defensive personnel led by Derrick Thomas and Neil Smith. The Chiefs also had a physical offensive line, a Hall of Fame running back (Marcus Allen) and two other solid backs (Greg Hill and Kimble Anders).

                    Well, Marty got it into his head that he could back the Chiefs into the playoffs and loose the real Joe Montana in January. Montana was furious. He bitched (privately) the entire second half of the season about a passing game that left seven blockers to protect and three receivers in the secondary.

                    Montana, like you, was a warrior. He didn't want to die on his knees. He knew the Chiefs would struggle on the road in the playoffs. Sure enough, with the Chiefs' restricted offense averaging 17 points over a five-game stretch, Kansas City lost four of five games, fell to 7-7 and had to win its final two games to sneak into the postseason.

                    The Chiefs traveled to Miami for a wild-card playoff game and lost 27-17 to the Dolphins. Montana retired weeks later. Marty Schottenheimer left the coaching profession in 2006 having not won a playoff game since the 1993 season, the last season Montana was allowed to be Joe Montana.

                    Brett, you should've let Childress pull you from the game and then left him to explain the irrational decision. The Vikings had a chance to catch the Saints for the NFC No. 1 seed. Now the Eagles are nipping at the Vikes for the No. 2 seed. This whole season could turn into a disaster just because Chilly doesn't want a veteran quarterback to call a few audibles.

                    Had you said nothing, Brett, and created the appearance you were taking the high road, it would be open season on Chilly. Me, John Madden, Tony Kornheiser and few others could ride on this fool.

                    Now no one will hear us because you had to open your mouth.

                    Sincerely,

                    Jason Whitlock

                    You can e-mail Jason at BallState0@aol.com or follow him on Facebook or Twitter.
                    I'll 2nd that
                    Baah

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                    • #85
                      Poor Brent, you're so wonderful. Sherman, McCarthy, Mangini, Childress all ruined your greatness. 4 bad coaches in a row, not bad decision making or playing, just bad coaches.

                      Three teams in three years, three late season collapses in a row. Poor Brent. You're the good guy Everyone else is the bad guy.
                      Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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                      • #86
                        Ya know, over the first 7 years that I was a Packer fan Favre was pretty much all I knew. He WAS the Packers to me and I never thought I'd cheer for the Packers without him. I couldn't imagine it. Yet he retired and Rodgers got me excited and I realized that I would be able to move on. Even so, I still liked Favre. He just wanted to play, and the Jets were in no position to embarrass the Packers I thought to myself. Then he went to Minnesota. I again brushed it off to him just wanting to play the game he loves. I figured this is all he knows. He knows once he retires that he will tire of mowing the lawn and golfing really quick. Alas, I shoved that aside as well. But this... This one takes the cake. How DARE that ass hat Favre diss chilly!? The one and only meal that can really warm you up on a cold winter day. Favre clearly did not endure enough cold winters in Green Bay, and not only that but the food native to his home town. Truly a shocking day when Favre turns his back on all he knows. I would like to now what Bonita Favre thinks of this truly tragic news.

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by The Shadow
                          Favre remains an assclown. Why any surprise?
                          Duped us like Tiger...

                          The media whore was probably gettn upset that he wasnt being mentioned in MVP talk and all the shine was going to peyton, drew, and rivers; so he decided to out Chilly

                          Now ALL the attn has been on him ALL WEEK
                          They said God has a Tim Tebow complex!

                          Brew Crew in 2011!!!

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                          • #88
                            Now it was all just two competitors, heat of the battle,etc...

                            I pointed this out earlier but it's worth mentioning...what coach would pull his starting QB from a tight game early on because he didn't like the way the game was going?

                            Now I'm on record as not being a Favre fan, but he still is a much better QB than Tavaris Jackson or Sage Rosenfels. Why the hell would you pull Favre?

                            For those who have stuck up for Chilly before, please can you help me to understand?
                            "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

                            KYPack

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                            • #89
                              Who's sticking up for Chilly? He's an idiot. I, for one, am just thoroughly enjoying watching the dustup and it's accompanying distraction. It's the Vikings and the quarterback has taken over! I can see getting into a "discussion" about it, but the coach still has the final say, no matter how moronic the decision may be. The coach backed down which told the whole team who was running the show (as if they didn't already know) and let the media in on it as well. Hee hee...
                              "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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                              • #90
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