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    Six chances to win against Pittsburgh in the final drive alone. Plays that could have stopped the drive, resulting in a Packers victory. (The following content is taken from the GBPG.

    The format is mine.)

    1 & 2. "CBs Tramon Williams and Charles Woodson both had passes bounce off their hands — the sort of throws the Packers have seemed to turn into takeaways all season."

    3. "Nickel CB Jarrett Bush held onto one, but ILB Brandon Chillar’s illegal (and inadvertent) contact with WR Hines Ward wiped it away."

    4. "They had the Steelers in fourth-and-7, but Woodson — freelancing in a “robber” defense — bit on QB Ben Roethlisberger’s pump fake and shaded away from WR Santonio Holmes, who crossed ILB Nick Barnett’s man-under coverage for a 32-yard gain."

    5. "DL Cullen Jenkins whipped LT Max Starks with an inside move but couldn’t wrap up Roethlisberger — a would-be sack that almost surely would have caused the final 9 seconds to expire."

    6. "And on the next play, which also was the game’s last, dime CB Josh Bell more or less got caught sleeping, drifted too far upfield and opened the back-shoulder throw WR Mike Wallace caught for a 19-yard TD."

    With Woodson called for 3 penalties, dropping an interception and misplaying or being outplayed on several key receptions, was this his worst game as a Packer? Being a late game with lots of national exposure, did this game kill his shot for Defensive Player of the Year?

    The missed sack by Jenkins was really something. Jenkins was a bit off balance, and had to reach for Roethlisberger, but looked to get a good hook with his hands high on Roethlisberger, being able to get some of his weight onto him. It barely phased Big Ben, who shook it off as if a little cornerback grabbed on.

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    I tivoed the game, but don't have the juice to watch the game. That's happened to me a lot this season & it's a pretty good year.

    Ben is probably the strongest guy ever to play QB in the NFL. He's the only QB going that would have shaken Cullen's tackle. The only QB I can remember that had Ben's strength is Bobby Douglass. Bobby would have slipped the tackle and thrown a 15 yd duck. Ben escapes and slings 40 yard bullets right to a spot.

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    • #3
      Agreed about the near sack. It was something close to a glancing shot, but Jenkins is big and he hit him with most of his arm, not just a grab and you would expect any other QB to at least have to reset themselves for the throw at least.

      Forgot about the dropped INTs. Tramon's seemed like he had a clear shot. They had their chances and they are still learning and eager, the defense will continue to get better.
      Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by KYPack
        I tivoed the game, but don't have the juice to watch the game. That's happened to me a lot this season & it's a pretty good year.

        Ben is probably the strongest guy ever to play QB in the NFL. He's the only QB going that would have shaken Cullen's tackle. The only QB I can remember that had Ben's strength is Bobby Douglass. Bobby would have slipped the tackle and thrown a 15 yd duck. Ben escapes and slings 40 yard bullets right to a spot.

        What about Dante Culpepper ?
        TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Bretsky
          Originally posted by KYPack
          I tivoed the game, but don't have the juice to watch the game. That's happened to me a lot this season & it's a pretty good year.

          Ben is probably the strongest guy ever to play QB in the NFL. He's the only QB going that would have shaken Cullen's tackle. The only QB I can remember that had Ben's strength is Bobby Douglass. Bobby would have slipped the tackle and thrown a 15 yd duck. Ben escapes and slings 40 yard bullets right to a spot.

          What about Dante Culpepper ?
          I was gonna say! Culpepper was impossible to take down as a Viking.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by mission
            Originally posted by Bretsky
            Originally posted by KYPack
            I tivoed the game, but don't have the juice to watch the game. That's happened to me a lot this season & it's a pretty good year.

            Ben is probably the strongest guy ever to play QB in the NFL. He's the only QB going that would have shaken Cullen's tackle. The only QB I can remember that had Ben's strength is Bobby Douglass. Bobby would have slipped the tackle and thrown a 15 yd duck. Ben escapes and slings 40 yard bullets right to a spot.

            What about Dante Culpepper ?
            I was gonna say! Culpepper was impossible to take down as a Viking.
            OK boys. Yeah Pepper had the strength to duck that tackle, but then he would've fumbled or tossed a pick. Ben usually makes a great toss after avoiding the sack. Ben is the best "big man" QB I've ever seen. That, & I love his attitude.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by KYPack
              Originally posted by mission
              Originally posted by Bretsky
              Originally posted by KYPack
              I tivoed the game, but don't have the juice to watch the game. That's happened to me a lot this season & it's a pretty good year.

              Ben is probably the strongest guy ever to play QB in the NFL. He's the only QB going that would have shaken Cullen's tackle. The only QB I can remember that had Ben's strength is Bobby Douglass. Bobby would have slipped the tackle and thrown a 15 yd duck. Ben escapes and slings 40 yard bullets right to a spot.

              What about Dante Culpepper ?
              I was gonna say! Culpepper was impossible to take down as a Viking.
              OK boys. Yeah Pepper had the strength to duck that tackle, but then he would've fumbled or tossed a pick. Ben usually makes a great toss after avoiding the sack. Ben is the best "big man" QB I've ever seen. That, & I love his attitude.
              I'll give ya all that Uncle KY!

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              • #8
                7) Call the hold on Jolly on the final play
                "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by mraynrand
                  7) Call the hold on Jolly on the final play
                  Be honest. Doesn't it sometimes cross your mind that NFL games are rigged? With all the judgment calls the refs have to make nowadays, it sure would be easy for a ref to go rogue like the ref in the NBA.

                  On the other hand, maybe the refs are overwhelmed with the judgment calls so it's a push as to which one to call at any particular time.
                  One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
                  John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Maxie the Taxi
                    Originally posted by mraynrand
                    7) Call the hold on Jolly on the final play
                    Be honest. Doesn't it sometimes cross your mind that NFL games are rigged? With all the judgment calls the refs have to make nowadays, it sure would be easy for a ref to go rogue like the ref in the NBA.

                    On the other hand, maybe the refs are overwhelmed with the judgment calls so it's a push as to which one to call at any particular time.
                    Nah, I don't see it as rigged. Just pretty damn annoying - they spotted and called everything else on that drive on both teams, and it was a full-fist, turn your jersey hold on Jolly. Looking at the replay, I think the Ump and the back judge (I think I have the correct officials) looked like they were screened. No conspiracy theory, no ref payoff. Maybe there was a little of the ref reluctance to call a penalty on a final play, but I doubt that was a factor. Just unlucky and annoying. And as others have said, the Packers had plenty of chances to win before that play.
                    "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by mraynrand
                      Nah, I don't see it as rigged. Just pretty damn annoying - they spotted and called everything else on that drive on both teams, and it was a full-fist, turn your jersey hold on Jolly. Looking at the replay, I think the Ump and the back judge (I think I have the correct officials) looked like they were screened. No conspiracy theory, no ref payoff. Maybe there was a little of the ref reluctance to call a penalty on a final play, but I doubt that was a factor. Just unlucky and annoying. And as others have said, the Packers had plenty of chances to win before that play.
                      I agree. I think the thing is that the refs are human. They're not going to be perfect though we, as fans, want them to be. I think their biggest collective gaffe so far is that they don't quite seem to be following the "50 guys in the bar" for overturning a call on the field. I think their still trying to be so precise that they're overturning things that are really too close to call (and no, I'm not just saying that in response to Clay's overturned strip sack).
                      No longer the member of any fan clubs. I'm tired of jinxing players out of the league and into obscurity.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Smidgeon
                        Originally posted by mraynrand
                        Nah, I don't see it as rigged. Just pretty damn annoying - they spotted and called everything else on that drive on both teams, and it was a full-fist, turn your jersey hold on Jolly. Looking at the replay, I think the Ump and the back judge (I think I have the correct officials) looked like they were screened. No conspiracy theory, no ref payoff. Maybe there was a little of the ref reluctance to call a penalty on a final play, but I doubt that was a factor. Just unlucky and annoying. And as others have said, the Packers had plenty of chances to win before that play.
                        I agree. I think the thing is that the refs are human. They're not going to be perfect though we, as fans, want them to be. I think their biggest collective gaffe so far is that they don't quite seem to be following the "50 guys in the bar" for overturning a call on the field. I think their still trying to be so precise that they're overturning things that are really too close to call (and no, I'm not just saying that in response to Clay's overturned strip sack).
                        Good post. And one final thing that I may have already wrote: when you have a game so incredibly close, it is very easy and very tempting, and very natural to go over the game and find 1,2, 7, or 20 different things that could have gone differently to win you the game. That's why those close losses are so tough to take - because you know when two teams are so evenly matched on that one day, that the difference between winning or losing almost seems arbitrary.
                        "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by KYPack

                          OK boys. Yeah Pepper had the strength to duck that tackle, but then he would've fumbled or tossed a pick. Ben usually makes a great toss after avoiding the sack. Ben is the best "big man" QB I've ever seen. That, & I love his attitude.
                          Ahem...
                          "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by MJZiggy
                            Originally posted by KYPack

                            OK boys. Yeah Pepper had the strength to duck that tackle, but then he would've fumbled or tossed a pick. Ben usually makes a great toss after avoiding the sack. Ben is the best "big man" QB I've ever seen. That, & I love his attitude.
                            Ahem...

                            Hiya toots.

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                            • #15
                              Agreed with OP's list.

                              I wasn't counting, but watching the drive I couldn't believe how it was on life support, but kept staying alive.

                              3...I don't know that the contact was inadvertent - but it was at 5.001 yards.

                              6 - was Bell really caught sleeping? It looked like decent coverage, and Wallace made a nice catch. It was one of those throws the announcers love to say 'he put it in a place only the receiver could catch it'
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